If I Could Do One Thing... ( 4. September 2006, 05:49 by Derek Young) ~ Go Crazy

After reading through our aerial tram discussion, I realized that a lot of you have a vision for Tacoma. Some of the visions are a bit more crazy than others, but who am I to judge… So my question to you is this:

If you were given free reign to do a single project in town (either public or private), and if money, politics, or physics demographic realities were no object, what would you do to make Tacoma a better place?

Would you knock down I-705 and route the trains underground to reconnect downtown to the waterfront? Would you build the biggest spire the US has ever seen? Would you build an Olympic quality soccer stadium? Maybe you’d open a kick ass dim sum restaurant. Or do you believe simple ideas like a year round farmer’s market is all we need to kick things in the right direction?

You get just one project. What would you do?

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1. Take the Link and run it all over the place: continue it up Stadium and then down Division, one branch would right turn down I St, up 21st, then down, say, Pearl ending up at TCC. Also, from where it would turn right on Division, have a branch go straight up 6th. Have other lines all over… up 9th or 11th, up 19th, etc.

2. Continue to densify the area between 9th, Stadium, and Wright Park/Tacoma Ave to be Condo-land. Require the deveopers to put in walkable retail on the bottom floor of each building. Goal is to create a Belltown like environment. That condos are being and have been built there without retail on the main floor is just plain dumb.

3. Lots of other ideas, but no time to write.

1 | Posted by rcc | Sep 4, 10:03 AM

Let me second rcc’s Link idea, because it was basically what I was going to say anyway…having just spent 4 years at UPS, I can attest to the convenience (and fun!) that a comprehensive light rail system would provide.

2 | Posted by chad | Sep 4, 01:20 PM

two words: Space Elevator

3 | Posted by Richard R. Anderson | Sep 4, 01:39 PM

I’d want to run the deadbeat slum loards out of town and redevelop those eye sore apartment complexes into studios or condos that young people can afford.

The young people, along with the strength of the empty nester baby boomers, can demand and dictate a turnaround in our downtown.

4 | Posted by Natasha | Sep 4, 02:13 PM

Relocate all the retail that exists in the Tacoma Mall area (including the mall and its environs) into the downtown core area between South 25th and North 6th, and Thea Foss and MLK.

5 | Posted by Steve | Sep 4, 03:38 PM

It sounds droll, but I would annex Lakewood, UP, Fife, Ruston, Fircrest, and all unincorporated land as far south as 512 (if not beyond) into Tacoma proper. This would:

a) increase the Tacoma tax base by as much as 70% with a substantially smaller increase in the cost of services (new population would be above 300K), thus reducing each citizen’s individual share of the tax burden.
b) facilitate centralized planning and regional growth in terms of job centers, transportation networks, etc.
c) decrease suburban reliance on sales tax revenue (see Fircrest, Fed-Way, UP, etc) so that suburb cities (now neighborhoods) wouldn’t have to rely on building big box stores to bring in enough sales-tax revenue to avoid bankruptcy.
d) standardize regional business and building codes, thus saving businesses and developers money.
e) prevent economic and racial segregation of cities and schools.
f) and make Tacoma easily the 2nd largest city in the state, thus beating the pants of Spokane.

I’ve cribbed a lot of these arguments from David Rusk’s book “Cities Without Suburbs,” but … man, it makes a lot of sense (for Tacoma and the suburbs alike!).

6 | Posted by Erik Hanberg | Sep 4, 04:21 PM

I’d put a Trader Joe’s in the Dome District with residential above.

7 | Posted by Patrick | Sep 4, 09:46 PM

Add 20,000 mixed income occupied housing units downtown Tacoma.

8 | Posted by Erik | Sep 4, 11:25 PM

I’d add a crap-load of off street bike paths, have 4 or 5 rail lines and change zoning for housing density to a lot by lot affair.

Run the link up division and 6th to TCC, put a commuter center with garages at 6th and Mildred for people working down town. Run another train along Tacoma Ave from old town to 36th. A third train could go from Salishan to S. Tacoma Way picking up folks off the Tacoma Ave train who are headed to the mall. 4th train could go down Pac Ave from Downtown to PLU. We could connect down town and South Hill with a train that chugs up McKinley.

I’d love to see a 100% off street bike path that ran along side Tyler/Stevens from 74th to Point Defiance. Steilacoom to Puyallup would also be a good ride and you could link it to the Tyler street route by using 74th. Getting the Water Ditch Trail done would be nice, too. Tacoma could and should be a bike mecca.

Umm… I guess that’s more then 1 thing, but that’s what I’d want to do.

9 | Posted by michael | Sep 4, 11:59 PM

The largest impediment to travel between the downtown core and the waterfront is NOT I-705, it’s all those railroad tracks, and freight trains that seem to wander endlessly back & forth building cars. Shift that process to beyond dock street or Fife, since there are no longer working freight docks in the City Waterway, and construct a grand esplanade under I-705 and over the tracks to the waterfront.

10 | Posted by Les | Sep 5, 08:02 AM

Here’s a crazy thought. How about we take a few of these old, industrial buildings and convert them into…industrial buildings.

It sickens me a bit to see so many factories and warehouses going condo. If I had a truckload of money and was looking for ways to spend it, I’d create a half dozen small manufacturing plants for real goods. Artisan furniture, musical instruments, clothing, computer stuff, housewares, whatever.

Wouldn’t it be nice to try to preserve Tacoma’s blue collar past by creating a blue collar future?

11 | Posted by Tom | Sep 5, 08:29 AM

I’m hearing a lot of things near the top of my list, but I’ll go ahead and add something new… I’d love to see an outdoor summer concert festival or series. Major touring acts as well as some of the more local standbys. Something to get a larger segment of the population out and about (not just those of us who dig street fairs and such for the community building elements). Not sure on the venue…I suppose the Point Defiance bowl could work, but I’m thinking maybe the tideflats could provide some good options. Aromafest 2007, anyone?

12 | Posted by jamie from thriceallamerican | Sep 5, 08:50 AM

I wasn’t going to post, b/c I just love reading everyone else’s ideas. But I have to say I like Jamie’s post (you didn’t include my World’s Fair idea ;-) ) because it helps address one of my biggest gripes: Getting people (including many friends and co-workers) to get off their butts and come out and support events and businesses that ARE in Tacoma. Especially people who live way out in, say, Puyallup, SO far away. Sorry – I haven’t had enough coffee yet this morning. But this E133 mentality was so long in coming and there are so many minds to change; so little time.

13 | Posted by , umm...can I remain anonymous this time? | Sep 5, 10:19 AM

In addition to improving mass transit, I’d like to see the cobblestore streets restored. I’d also spread out the housing serving high risk populations then limit new development of this type in Tacoma until the rest of the area and state catch up to our density. I’d also double the size of the police force with most of them focusing on community policing.

14 | Posted by M.W. | Sep 5, 11:47 AM

...just to clarify: I assume that the above posts that mention light rail and trains actually mean streetcars

15 | Posted by morgan | Sep 5, 12:00 PM

A year-round Farmer’s Market is something a co-worker and I were discussing a few days ago. The Parking Garage on Pacific at 10th is such an eyesore, seems like a great and easy conversion!

16 | Posted by Tracy | Sep 5, 12:13 PM

“just to clarify: I assume that the above posts that mention light rail and trains actually mean streetcars.”

Streetcars, not light rail definitely on 6th Ave. Short trips should be streetcar, longer trips light rail. For example, UWT to E-9 should be streetcar. UWT to Ft. Lewis should be light rail. It needs to be convenient and quick for folks to give up their cars.

17 | Posted by M.W. | Sep 5, 02:18 PM

I’d build new mixed use midrise buildings in all of the vacant and surface lots in the downtown core. And fill them with peepl.

18 | Posted by kanpai | Sep 5, 02:57 PM

Midrise? hmmm why midrise?

My one project?

Hire 100 Code Enforcement Officers and have the city get tough on some of these property owners that don’t take care of their land and buildings. Also have them go after some of the smaller things like people not taking care of the right-of-way. The small stuff adds up.

Spread the Community Based Services to the whole city!!!!

19 | Posted by jake | Sep 5, 03:32 PM

Midrise: because midrise buildings (I am thinking 5 to 25 stories) and lower are appropriate to the scale of our downtown. Our blocks are too narrow for true highrises. If the gaps were filled with those, our downtown core would be a lot denser than it is now.

Maybe after that I would actually time the downtown signals and add pedestrian amenities.

Then maybe I would redevelop a couple of our “recent” projects back into useful urban space.

20 | Posted by kanpai | Sep 5, 03:42 PM

I would like to see lots and lots of Class A office space built in the CBD. I would prefer highrise but would settle for midrise. Next I would like to see these buildings filled with professional employees paid a decent wage and perhaps a bonus if they lived in the city limits.
Then everyone would have the resources needed to build trains and parks and bike lanes and sidewalks and streetcars and…..

21 | Posted by fatmini | Sep 5, 04:32 PM

Every City employee, architect, and devloper should be required to memorize Christopher Alexander’s 15 Rules for Rebuilding the World

22 | Posted by morgan | Sep 5, 04:46 PM

I’d put a Chipotle in the Stadium District where Quiznos used to be. Students and apartment dwellers would feast.

23 | Posted by Barbacoa | Sep 5, 05:03 PM

An old idea for a new fair…

Complete with pre T-Dome monorail!

24 | Posted by morgan | Sep 5, 05:07 PM

MY DREAM

To infuse Tacoma with a permanent dose of life:

I would become majority owner of a couple dozen Fortune 500 corporations and vote to move their headquarters to downtown Tacoma. The resulting building spree would create millions of square feet of new office space.

Second part of the equation:

I would shut off all existing oil drilling operations around the world, making driving prohibitively expensive and forcing all of the new business executives to live close to their jobs, like in the old days. Gig Harbor, Bonney Lake and South Hill would become ghost towns, while all other low-density housing in Tacoma would become higher-density rowhouses, condos, and apartment buildings.

More realistically:

My favorite street in downtown Tacoma is Market between 9th and 15th. I would build a series of high-rises up to 400 feet (or taller) along boths sides of the street, meaning downtown could be visible from Tacoma Boys, Federal Way and Fern Hill. (Hey, it happened in my SimCity version of Tacoma!)

Also I would resurrect the Cosmos project in the Dome District that our City Council chose not to embrace a few years ago.

And our skyline would finally be respectable. No one could ever claim to drive by on I-5 and miss us.

25 | Posted by drizell | Sep 5, 07:08 PM

I would like to see 4 things:

1. Light rail connected from Tacoma to Seattle. The current plan calls for the second phase of Sound Transit to come from the airport to the Poodle Dog in Fife. It would be a tragedy to not connect Tacoma Link to Seattle Link.

2. Raise the height restrictions in the downtown core, including the Hilltop – MLK coridoor. Great views and more “market-rate” residents will help the businesses in these areas to survive.

3. Re-do the South & North parking structures into mixed use including office, retail and parking.

4. Get the Cosmos project revived in the Dome area.

5. Build the Spire…..ooops I said 4 things. I better quit while I am ahead.

26 | Posted by slo-remodeler | Sep 5, 07:45 PM

How about something like having the people who work for the City of Tacoma have to live in the city of Tacoma?

Just thinking that things might be different if those in power actually lived in the neighborhoods and communities that they are working for.

27 | Posted by Hillary Ryan | Sep 5, 08:54 PM

Ok…

My one thing? Since someone already took the “move the mall” idea – I think that true neighborhood-based planning and interaction with gov’t (including utilities and public safety) then funneled upward to broad city-wide issues, instead of the other way around, could make some real differences in the City. Or is that stealing the CBS idea from above? Am I totally guilty of professional bias?

Also, I know it’s broadly construed because not all city employees live here, but (and I had to look this up to make sure of the citation… because I’m not THAT crazy) but Tacoma Municipal Code 1.24.860 requires employees to live in the city at time of appointment.

28 | Posted by shirl | Sep 5, 09:18 PM

“How about something like having the people who work for the City of Tacoma have to live in the city of Tacoma?”

This ties in with making housing affordable for hard working public workers like police, fire fighters, and teachers. I’ve heard of other cities are setting up low interst rate loans and other programs to help the people that work here to also live here. Maybe we should consider it too?

Makes sense to me.

29 | Posted by morgan | Sep 5, 09:26 PM

28 posts. Might just be a record.

* How ‘bout bridge the gap between Point Defiance, Vashon Island and West Seattle. If you make the drive between Seattle and Tacoma easier, then the business will follow. Might piss off a few Vashoner’s but what the hell…they’d make it up in property value.

* If that’s too much to bite off, can we just fix the I-5/Hwy 16 interchange? There’s got to be a better way to reduce the choke point there.

* I like the annexation idea. I’d stay away from Federal Way though. Any deal we’d have to make with King county would not be worth it.

* How can we get some of Paul Allen’s money? He’s building some pretty cool stuff in South Lake Union. Who’s our sugar daddy?

* Tear down the dome so folk can actually see the city from the interstate and put in a Tacoma’s Best Coffee roasting plan. Until we change the percieved scent of the city, no one will take us seriously.

30 | Posted by davest | Sep 5, 09:34 PM

How about better public leaders who pushed for these ideas to come to life? How about cleaning up the waste of life drug dealers downtown? Maybe the best thing for all would be to MOVE THE JAIL. I don’t know, this is just another guy who see’s all crap that downtown has to offer each day slowly slip away.

31 | Posted by jc | Sep 5, 09:45 PM

OK, let’s start off simple.

1) Curbs. Many of our streets just blend into sidewalks with no defined edge. Cars are often parked on sidewalks (or where sidewalks should be) and even on lawns. Nothing says ghetto like property with cars for lawn ornaments.

2) Paved alleys. Gravel sucks. It doesn’t stay in place and spinning wheels from garbage trucks make potholes everywhere.

3) Tree lined streets. Obviously you can’t park on a curbside strip if it is ladscaped with trees (partial solution to #1 above). Tree lined streets create cooling shade in the dry summer months, reduce pollution and generally create a pleasing environment.

32 | Posted by Mike H | Sep 5, 10:37 PM

“If that’s too much to bite off, can we just fix the I-5/Hwy 16 interchange?”

Be careful what you wish for! I just learned about this not too long ago…

Warning: not for the faint of heart!

The SR 16 – Nalley Valley Viaduct rebuild project

This one especially looks the most disturbing: SR 16, Nalley Valley Viaduct – Proposed Interchange

33 | Posted by morgan | Sep 5, 10:46 PM

Morgan, thanks for posting that “New Fair” map; YOU are the MAN! And that LA-ish viaduct looks frightening. Thank goodness the Java Jive down below is now on the Tacoma Register of Historic Places b/c we already almost lost it a couple years ago with I-5 widening. Great ideas; magic wands for the house. But above all I’d hate to lose those little pieces of Tacoma’s soul and become that Paul Allen-Town.

34 | Posted by ... Dave L. | Sep 5, 11:33 PM

Seems like WSDOT has never heard the term ‘latent demand.’ It essentially means that the more road space you create to ‘ease congestion,’ the more congestion you actually create. Atlanta expanded its downtown freeway to 16 lanes (SIXTEEN!!!) yet still is mired in constant traffic. Of course the purpose of these projects mostly to make money for the powerful auto, oil and road construction lobbies, not to actually ease congestion. If the transit industry were stronger lobbyists, perhaps we would see some viable public transit problems actually happen.

35 | Posted by drizell | Sep 6, 01:44 AM

“How about something like having the people who work for the City of Tacoma have to live in the city of Tacoma?”

This is a little off topic, but a lot of City employees do in fact live in Tacoma. This issue has come up in the past too—it used to be a requirement. But speaking as someone who recently moved here, the residency requirement strikes out-of-towners as a little provincial. Which I think is one of Tacoma’s major shortcomings. You need to have folks who want to live here, not be forced to. Now, I say this as devil’s advocate. We moved here, and we like it, and we believe in living where you work if you have the economic freedom to do so.

36 | Posted by kanpai | Sep 6, 09:27 AM

Which I think is one of Tacoma’s major shortcomings. You need to have folks who want to live here, not be forced to.

Yes, that’s a little sad having to try to force someone to live in the area to work for the city.

Hopefully, we are getting to the point where Tacoma is (or will be) attractive enough where most people will want to live here even when they have the means to live elsewhere.

37 | Posted by Erik | Sep 6, 11:43 AM

“If that’s too much to bite off, can we just fix the I-5/Hwy 16 interchange?”

Be careful what you wish for! I just learned about this not too long ago…

Warning: not for the faint of heart!

The SR 16 – Nalley Valley Viaduct rebuild project

This one especially looks the most disturbing: SR 16, Nalley Valley Viaduct – Proposed Interchange

oh yes, this will be absoloute hell starting in 2008!!!

38 | Posted by Zintradi | Sep 6, 04:04 PM

Bring back the Tacoma Sabercats and other sports teams to the Tacoma Dome.

39 | Posted by Mr. 77 | Sep 6, 04:07 PM

How about public transit that runs every 15 minutes for more than three bus routes? I can think of at least 6 routes right off the top of my head that could use every 15 minute runs: Bus numbers 11, 16, 51, 53, 56, 41 and 48.

40 | Posted by Jane | Sep 6, 07:03 PM

@#25

Gig Harbor wouldn’t become a ghost town, it would revert to the hippie-redneck-funky fishtown that I grew up in. Or, at least it’s modern equivalent. Which would beat the heck out of what Gig harbor is now.

41 | Posted by michael | Sep 6, 07:34 PM

I’m a big fan of simple ideas.. community businesses and events, farmers markets, etc. And I like a properly designed community-to-business-district oriented street car or similar system. If I had a way to walk a few blocks and hop onto a rail system that doesn’t screw with existing neighborhoods and infrastructure too much, ride to the local grocery store, postal office, and whatever else suits my fancy.. or connect a couple times and commute downtown from north Tacoma then I’d be in heaven.

42 | Posted by Joel Parker | Sep 7, 02:02 AM

My one personal project would be the Elks Building on Stadium Way/Broadway – I love that building and I love the potential it has, especially being right there next to an onramp – such easy access.

I’ve spent alot of commute hours fantasizing what I’d do w/that building – from botique hotel, to artist community, to roof top steak house, to jazz club (i.e. along the lines of Jazz Alley up in Seattle..), to who the heck cares as long as it brings in business and has a Starbucks on the Stadium Way street level.

...someday when I make my millions that buidling will be mine….

43 | Posted by Rachel | Sep 7, 09:19 AM

My one personal project would be the Elks Building on Stadium Way/Broadway

The city is going to have a chance to do something with the Elks Building in December.

44 | Posted by Erik | Sep 7, 10:34 AM

Elks Building on Stadium Way/Broadway…(snip) Who the heck cares as long as it brings in business and has a Starbucks on the Stadium Way street level.

Starbucks? Shame, shame…we need a local roaster who won’t burn the beans…

45 | Posted by jamie from thriceallamerican | Sep 7, 10:52 AM

I’d like to see some philanthropist buy a cool old building downtown and make it home various progressive non-profits, like the successful Community Bldg. in Spokane. As Seattle rents become less and less affordable for non-profits, Tacoma should try and snatch up the main offices of regional groups and regional offices of national groups. This has been done elsewhere—e.g. Oakland is home to many Bay Area/California non-profits that can’t afford SF offices.

46 | Posted by Michael G. | Sep 7, 12:22 PM

Great idea, Michael! That should convince the power brokers to build some new office space around here.

47 | Posted by drizell | Sep 7, 03:15 PM

I’d like to cover the entire Elks building with a giant mural.

48 | Posted by Peter Whitley | Sep 7, 10:12 PM

Just one thing?! No way! Here are a few other crazy ideas:

Gangs: if we can’t outlaw guns, then we should tax every bullet sold by $100…

Civic duty: designate one City Council position to be filled by a randomly chosen resident (the Greeks had a similar system to this)...

Development: throw out zoning codes and require projects to seek approval from residents (via Neighborhood Councils)...

Put a lid on I-5…

After the Tacoma Mall is torn down, turn the area into a lake. Tacoma needs more bodies of water… Franklin Park used to be a lake- let’s bring that back too… and maybe the BNSF land out on South Tacoma Way…

Underground all utilities, then have the City vacate alley right-of-ways. Alleys are gross and a huge waste of space- they would be better used as a backyard in most cases…

Outlaw large surface parking lots…

Require new developments to have a public benefit. This used to be standard in America and developers were happy to do it. Have society’s expectations been lowered too much?

Bring back Tacoma’s brick and cobblestone roads! You would be surprised how many we have…

Outlaw fluorescent lighting – especially in restaurants!

49 | Posted by morgan | Sep 7, 10:31 PM

If I could do just one thing, I would invent time travel, then go back in time to turn of the 20th century America, and convince the government that just like with the railroads, auto companies should be expected to build and maintain their infrastructure, and not to be subsidized by taxes. This would dovetail into the government most definitely NOT passing the Federal Interstate bill, thereby keeping the market the prime regulator of costly and inefficient transportation (cars) vs. relatively inexpensive and efficient modes (streetcars, rail). Thus, Tacoma (along with pretty much every other city in America) would still have hundreds of miles of rail and trolley tracks, all privately-owned and able to get people about all quick like.

50 | Posted by Andrew | Sep 7, 10:59 PM

One word: Bubbleator.

51 | Posted by Bobble Tiki | Sep 8, 09:10 AM

“Development: throw out zoning codes and require projects to seek approval from residents (via Neighborhood Councils)...”

Good Lord!

How do you think that would turn out? Should every project be subject to a vote with no standards? The implications are staggering and scary.

Maybe this is elitist, but I REALLY don’t like the idea of putting this into the hands of just anyone. Zoning and regs exist because of a couple of things—to protect general welfare of the public, and now, in modern times, to provide a sense of predictibility as folks invest in property so that a reasonable economic return is possible. In order to ensure constitutionally valid uses of private property are allowed in a town, it is important to decide what can go where (Ambler v Euclid, 1926).

Tacoma’s history of politics is not so great. I can only imagine what would happen if permits were subject to a political process.

Also, the Planning Commission does review and amend the comp plan and regulatory code on yearly basis, and anyone can file an application for that.

Lastly, I submit that Houston TX does not have zoning. ‘Nuff said.

52 | Posted by kanpai | Sep 8, 09:50 AM

I think there should be something to attract kids. Like a scavenger hunt that includes scaled down art objects in the store fronts around downtown. Little muscles cars, monsters, fairies, leprauchauns, sports figures, endless possibilties that could make a famous wee folk tour.

53 | Posted by Jennifer | Sep 8, 02:35 PM

Two things, not one, and they are minor not major.

Find a way to allow the art community to communicate better and compete less. Bring that art to the public as often as possible through easy to move art carts that can show up just about anywhere. Take a break at lunch and do a simple hours worth of creative work, then head back with a piece of jewelry, origami, a painting, candle or whatever.

Have a Xanadu theater restaurant which only appears once a month in a new location complete with meal and entertainment at an outdoor venue (when possible). One month it appears at the Tollefson, Talloffsen, Tolesfs.. at the Plaza, and the next at Wright Park or the Ruston Way waterfront.

54 | Posted by Droid16 | Sep 8, 03:00 PM

Reintegrate EAST and WEST Downtown with a cable car that runs every 4 minutes just like it used to back in 1938. North and South are taken care of for the most part. We could use more electric streetcar lines all over, but Downtown Tacoma needs more viable pedestrian-oriented land to work with in order to self-sustain itself. That land is a couple of blocks west of Pacific Avenue – but it’s up the hill.

In terms of the streetcars – there’s technology now available which costs only $5-10 million per route mile. This is more than ten times cheaper than the cost of extending LINK with the technology its on now – meaning we could build a system that’s ten times as extensive with the same funds. Instead of a 5.5 mile extension we could have 55 miles of streetcars zooming all around town at 6 minute frequency. Further should implement station area plans for streetcar stations, which encourage denser mixed use development and pedestrian/bicycle pathways in a 1/4 mile radius from the stations.

And most broadly, we need to commit to a dramatic reduction in greenhouse gas emissions60-75. That’s easy to do in the Pacific Northwest because of our reliance on hydropower, but it means a drastic change in modal split to less energy consumptive forms of transportation.

55 | Posted by Chris from Theater District | Sep 8, 04:19 PM

One of my personal (and quirky) definitions of a great city is one that keeps interesting older bikes in circulation. A bike shop selling used bicycles and used bicycle parts would lower the initial investment required for folks choosing cycling as a transportation alternative. The shop would work best if it were located close to transit and to centers of student activity. If I’m not bound by economic reality, I would locate four used bike shops around the city, each catering to a particular style of biking. The staff would be friendly and patient as saints, allowing as many shop visitors as possible to become enthusiatic about bicycling in some form. Tacoma already has several bike shops that do a good job of supporting cyclists. However, the addition of a shop providing used bikes and used parts might be the key to increasing the numbers of cyclists on Tacoma’s streets.

56 | Posted by kendall | Sep 8, 08:30 PM

1. Construct flashing school zone signs, and well marked crosswakls near every school in tacoma. Ever seen those kids leaving Jason Lee in the afternoof trying to walk down, and cross sprague?

2. Tear down the hilltop safeway and weird little neighboring office complex, and build a propper supermarket. Currently only one decent grocery store exists between 6th ave and I-5/SR-16.

57 | Posted by Hilltop, its not as bad as you think! | Sep 9, 10:17 AM

Change Tacoma’s self-perception.

58 | Posted by morgan | Sep 9, 11:00 AM

Comprehensive mass transit, mix between light rail and the streetcar idea. This should be the #1 priority! It will change Tacoma for the better…also need to make it walkable.

I also like the idea of destorying the mall and moving it all back towndown with lots more bars and resturants…and condos and apartments of course

59 | Posted by Andrew | Sep 9, 03:59 PM

Lot’s of good ideas here, and if and when some of them come to pass…I would open a Spanish bar-cafe downtown serving tapas, wine, and beer, with a changing lunch and dinner menu.

60 | Posted by Kim | Sep 9, 09:33 PM

Wow, what a perspective. With this thread still fresh in my mind, after a show at the Croc yesterday, I hung around Belltown – the part of downtown Seattle that someone told me downtown Tacoma will be like with just a few more restaurants and residents. I don’t know; with several little joints on each block, all with unique character and ambiance, all doing decent business; tables on the sidewalk, sidewalks themselves bustling with people of all ages…. (O.K., the $12 parking wasn’t cool, but hey, it was good ‘til 7 a.m.) It became shockingly clear that we’ve got a long, long way to go to revive that richness. What downtown Tacoma once was, and perhaps still could be. We can build this, move that, bury those; yet I agree with Morgan’s observation that the self-perception of the vast majority of Tacoma’s residents needs work.

Oh and don’t get me started about speeding drivers around school zones, and intersections around schools w/o stop signs, and the person from the City who said studies show there are more accidents when there are stop signs, and drivers who endanger everyone around them… don’t get me started and turn this into a gripe thread.

So, poster #62; what’s your one-thing?

61 | Posted by ... Dave L. | Sep 10, 12:25 PM

We are moving from Portland to Tacoma soon and I agree with Mike H. about curbs. As we were looking at housing I rejected a whole area east of Point Defiance that I thought from the map would have been ideal. I realized it was a lack of curbs. There were weeds and cars too close to the sidewalks. It made an otherwise nice neighborhood look trashy.

Lots of good ideas..getting rid of the Dome so you could see downtown was a great one too. I am already tired of people in Portland dissing Tacoma because of what they see from the freeway!

62 | Posted by Peggy C. | Sep 10, 05:53 PM

Mike H. also suggested planting more trees along streets. Portland has a very active neighborhood outreach non-profit called “Friends of Trees.” (http://www.friendsoftrees.org). It is a member of the national organization “Alliance for Community Trees” (http://actrees.org). I was very surprised to see that there are no affiliated organizations in the state of Washington. Friends of Trees uses staff plus volunteers to do neighborhood tree plantings along sidewalks. They recommend trees that won’t damage the sidewalk through shallow roots. You can purchase trees through FoT at a good price. Then on a Saturday, all the new trees get planted in the neighborhood. We got to know many people in our neighborhood when we participated in the program and it ensures an attractive neighborhood for the future.

63 | Posted by Peggy C. | Sep 10, 06:25 PM

from post #52

...throw out zoning codes and require projects to seek approval from residents (via Neighborhood Councils)...

How do you think that would turn out? Should every project be subject to a vote with no standards? The implications are staggering and scary.

Crazy doesn’t mean non-controversial!
Besides, our current zoning code wasn’t implemented until the 1950’s if I remember correctly. I think we did a better job before than we are now. I’m not saying build without guidelines- just without our current zoning code. My concern is that our codes are outdated and micromanage parcel by parcel – they should provide guidelines for the type of development we want, not dictate a specific use. For example, how do we know that the condo built today won’t be used as a factory 100 years from now? (assuming the building lasts that long!)

Tacoma’s history of politics is not so great. I can only imagine what would happen if permits were subject to a political process.

We shouldn’t let our fear of Tacoma’s political past haunt Tacoma’s future. The point here is to create collaborations between developers and the community they build in. What is the fear of empowering our citizens with a say in how their neighborhoods get built? Do you really think they would do a worse job than the City Council?

Also, the Planning Commission does review and amend the comp plan and regulatory code on yearly basis, and anyone can file an application for that.

Anyone with money and the time to wait!

There are also other alternatives to our zoning code.

64 | Posted by morgan | Sep 11, 05:37 PM

Your vision is as follows. Hustler Mega Store, across from Zoo, a stones throw from the crash-up derby track, next to the casino, next to the dry wall factory next the school, next to Chuck-E-Cheese, kitty corner from the strip club which is across from the lumber mill that is next to the hog farm which has a high-rise condo in the right next to the porno theatre, next to the many vacant lots filled with transients offering 5 dollar b.j.’s all with dirt road access.

65 | Posted by Bob I. | Sep 12, 01:50 PM

#65, are you suggesting a little I-933?

66 | Posted by DavidS | Sep 12, 04:58 PM

I would find one person to open a breakfast place that uses real eggs, organic foods and rustic breads. Look at how well Chow Foods in Seattle does. Every neighborhood in Tacoma could support such a place.

67 | Posted by David | Sep 12, 09:02 PM

I would find one person to open a breakfast place that uses real eggs, organic foods and rustic breads. Look at how well Chow Foods in Seattle does. Every neighborhood in Tacoma could support such a place.

It seems like this topic comes up again and again… give me 10 investors at $10k each and I will put together a business plan and a team to make this vision a reality!

68 | Posted by morgan | Sep 13, 02:49 PM

How about a good natural foods store near downtown? I used to live in Seattle, and I miss PCC—it was surprisingly affordable compared to Marlene’s, Metropolitan Market, or Stadium Thriftway.

69 | Posted by Michael G. | Sep 21, 11:29 AM

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