KUOW Talkin' Tacoma (20. March 2007, 13:27 by Derek Young) ~ Listen

If you have a radio convenient to you, turn it to Puget Sound Public Radio KUOW 94.9 or find the archives online. They’re talking about Tacoma’s Renaissance with poet David Fewster and Heidi Fosner.

If you’re looking through the archives, it’s the 2:00 show of The Beat for March 20th.

On the web at KUOW.org

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Oh the bitterness, Mr. Fewster!

1 | Posted by Claudia | Mar 20, 01:49 PM

All that rambling music was too bitter.

2 | Posted by Mike | Mar 20, 01:53 PM

... and no one is exempt from his anger and bitterness. Except himself. And Seattle.

3 | Posted by Honey | Mar 20, 02:41 PM

and enough with Seattle media’s endless hand-wringing and deep concern over Tacoma gentrifying.

4 | Posted by Honey | Mar 20, 02:54 PM

While I did find them a tad sardonic, I think that Fewster and Fosner had something important to say. The song talking about the gentrification of Tacoma is a song about what I’m seeing happen to the town in which I’ve lived for 21 years. The property taxes are pricing people out of their homes, particularly on the east side of Tacoma. Putting aside bitterness, what do you think of their views of what’s happening to Tacoma?

5 | Posted by Jane | Mar 20, 02:59 PM

I have never heard a conversation with some many variations and repititions of the word “grit.”

He focuses most of the song and his statement about how bad the Museum of Glass is and the glass apples were apparently reminiscing about its days as a superfund site. Hmmmm. Ok.

There is a good question of what is the true identity of Tacoma? When was it authentic and how would be know when we are being true to ourselves?

I don’t think we can bring back the past. Tacoma’s reinventiving itself. However, if forced to make a choice, I would choose the vibrance of the 1920s rather the abandonment of the early 1980s.

Looking at old photos, Tacoma has a ton of rebuilding to do before we even come close to the energy level the downtown had 80 years ago. One of the problems is that they had better buildings then where we have now have empty lots.

6 | Posted by Erik | Mar 20, 03:19 PM

What a couple of jerks. I really dont understand people like this.

7 | Posted by ca | Mar 20, 10:33 PM

Jane, Everyone knows property values are pricing out people. How do we respond as a community? If you’re an artist, give me something new—a new perspective, a new vision, something fresh. I saw nothing in the show which provided any sort of useful critique of gentrification. The show was just one long rant, mocking everyone and everything in Tacoma. If the best you can do is mock your fellow artists, that’s sad.

8 | Posted by Honey | Mar 21, 07:52 AM

Fewster & Fosner – I’m going to set aside the issue of you hating Tacoma even though you live here because you can’t afford to live anywhere else.
I want to focus on your performances. You guys are really bad. Seriously. I’m concerned about your names having a connection to Tacoma. I just listened to your radio spot on KUOW and it was really painful to hear it all the way to the end! I did listen though because I was hoping that there might be something useful to take from the poems and songs. No suck luck! I felt like I was listening to some cheap sample of a radio advertisement for Jack Roberts Appliance or Vern Fonk or something, but it was even worse than that.
You guys actually have a show? Who pays to see you? Your family members? Do they clap for you when you sing songs complaining about the town you choose to live in?
No wonder you can’t afford to live in Seattle anymore!!!

9 | Posted by CT | Mar 21, 11:51 AM

i really didn’t get them either. if you don’t like the change you see happening around you, become a part of the process. be pro-active. i’m all about music that makes a statement, but in this case, they should consider putting down the guitar and trying another approach. moreover, when asked ‘what about tacoma do you want to see preserved?’ they answered with ‘our apartment’. not only was that answer not funny, but it just made me even more confused over what point they were trying to make.

10 | Posted by comment | Mar 21, 12:48 PM

Tacoma wasn’t always gritty, although it seems it was destined to be.

There’s an amazing early map by the Olmsted Brothers of their plan for Tacoma. I think Kings Books has a copy in their rare book room. Tacoma came upon a fork in the road and for better and worse it let the engineers decide its destiny. As much as I hear about the arts and artists in Tacoma, I think there’s still a ways to go until the creatives outnumber the engineers… I’m looking forward to that day!

11 | Posted by morgan | Mar 21, 01:19 PM

This is the kind of real, tragic hippie folk art you won’t see funded by any city artist initiative grants.

They’re doing their own thing and damn it that means something.

12 | Posted by RR Anderson | Mar 21, 01:22 PM

Tacoma came upon a fork in the road and for better and worse it let the engineers decide its destiny

Fortunately, the basic “grid” of
downtown Tacoma and the historic neighborhoods is pretty incredible. I love the original design.

Like most cities, most of the damage was done after the 1940s.

Yet, Tacoma retains enough of its historical buildings and basic layout to be a great city if the repair work is done right.

13 | Posted by Erik | Mar 21, 02:33 PM

Tacoma: The Griddy City

14 | Posted by anon | Mar 21, 02:45 PM

We have a copy of the Olmsted map in the Northwest Room at the library.

15 | Posted by DtownDweller | Mar 21, 03:34 PM

This is the kind of real, tragic hippie folk art you won’t see funded by any city artist initiative grants. “ Fewster did recieve a grant from the Tacoma Arts Commission for a book a few years back.

Balance and accuracy aside, if I was afraid to hear views different from mine so blatantly expressed, and maybe a little out-there, I would have missed out on some of the best passionate grass-roots shows I have ever seen – the best being the likes of Spoonman, Jim Page, etc. Maybe this isn’t quite there, and maybe no one knows who I’m talking about. But the part I was able to listen to made a few good points, and I was able to enjoy listening to their perspective without getting so angry. The apartment joke does speaks to a few people I know. Performance-wise, it wasn’t quite my cup of tea, and maybe the show was like somebody important meeting your weird relative, but it’s been a while since I’ve heard so much reaction over a show. Maybe for their own safety they better switch to safer topics like Watada or WTO. I do give them credit for putting together a show and getting the promo coup with nearly-95 (KUOW).

16 | Posted by Dave L. | Mar 21, 05:12 PM

I like how Tacoma’s been in the news for all things protest lately. Seems natural as Seattle becomes more exclusive. But I must say I can relate a lot more to the anti-war stuff then the “freeze Tacoma in time” message. What’s wrong with more people living downtown? My guess is that a housing correction will make some of these new places pretty darn affordable anyway.

17 | Posted by michael g. | Mar 21, 08:53 PM

Hmmm…did they ever consider that they may be contributing to the very “gentrification” that they decry? Hmmm…“Gentrifiers” are everyone except ourselves…?? How long did they say they’d lived in Tacoma? Hmmm…

18 | Posted by citywonk | Mar 23, 11:07 AM

Embrace your inner grittiness, be proud and hold your heads high. Sure Tacoma has much to be ashamed of, all cities do. But things can be fixed, not realizing who you are is when the trouble starts. Granite counter tops and stainless steel appliances are not the answers to Tacoma’s problems.

19 | Posted by Crenshaw Sepulveda | Mar 25, 05:11 PM

Now that we know that slightly gauche but transit and pedestrian friendly density downtown isn’t the answer (too bad it’s coming anyway, I guess), Crenshaw Sepulveda, please tell us the true answers. I’m proudly awaiting your response with good posture.

20 | Posted by michael g. | Mar 25, 07:22 PM

One can distill things down to their essense, simply what Tacoma needs is diversity. No city can be great until it embraces diversity.

Along with diversity, a city has to be known for something. In Tacoma’s case it should be know for education. Seriously, nothing started happening until the UW showed up in Taocma, sad the UPS school of law left us. Education is what Tacoma should be known for and the city should put all its backing in to this Let Seattle make the lattes and the software, we’ll create the people that make the software and consume the java. Let Tacoma’s focus always be education.

No planning for the city should be done unless it is inclusive. All classes of people, rich and poor should be considered when making the plans for turning Tacoma into a great city. Indeed, a city dedicated to education will pretty much insure the poor don’t remain poor.

What will happen to the people living in the Winthrop makes me sick. To revitalize a downtown by removing the poor is sad and misguided. A city with no heart will never be a great city. A city that cuts out its own heart is doomed to die. Tacoma needs to find its heart, it needs to celebrate diversity, Tacoma needs to show the rest of the state that it can build itself up without tearing anyone down.

If Tacoma needs to model itself after another place, it shouldn’t be Seattle, first of all it will never work. Tacoma should really consider modeling itself after itself. If Tacoma needs a model, I’d say look towards Madison WI. A fine college town at the cusp of a larger town (Milwaukie) that has no shame and does very well for itself. Madison has about the population of Tacoma, it is a great college town and Tacoma would do well becoming their own version of Madison.

21 | Posted by Crenshaw Sepulveda | Mar 25, 07:58 PM

Crenshaw, I agree with your points about inclusiveness and diversity, but I’m not sure preserving the heart and soul of the city conflicts with at least some of the new development going on, which will provide for a diversity of incomes downtown (though not if the influx of middle and upper income people boots out the poor), ideally with more amenities (transit, parks, etc.) for everybody. Centering much of the city’s development around education makes a lot of sense given the potential for growth at UWT and the growing reputation of UPS, as does growing the city’s art and music scenes. Investing in those areas will end up making Tacoma more attractive to private business as well.

22 | Posted by michael g. | Mar 25, 08:20 PM

Anyone in the position of authority, in the City of Tacoma should read the book by Jane Jacobs called The Death and Life of Great American Cities. This book, some 50 years old, in great detail describes how cities work and how they don’t. Arts, music, education, all of these things contribute and create greatness in a city. The young bring a vibrancy, the old bring wisdom. The poor bring their survival skills and appreciation of things that money can’t buy. The more diverse a community, the more likely it is that it will become great. Security in a community is not achieved by removing the “bad elements”, but rather by recognizing the humanity and contributions of all.

Shared experiences, public transportation, libraries, parks, do much to bring communities together. People being able to afford to live close by to where they work does much for a community. Business owners that live in the communities they do business in does much to create a great community. I remember the old days, growing up, where I would see a shop owner sweeping his own sidewalk outside his shop. That wasn’t an act of beautification, that was an act of marketing. The owner could be on the street seeing his customers go by, wave high, and continue building a relationship with the customer. What we have now, in downtown Tacoma, are minimum wage people sweeping (poorly) the sidewalks and having some monster machine come behind and gather up the trash. Of course you see very few business owners downtown, let alone on the sidewalks.

Civility in the city, that is what it is all about. We are all stakeholders in this city, not just the property owners, not just the business owners, not just the wealthy. Even the poorest amonst us is a stakeholder. It is time we all recognize this and act like we have a true ownership of our city.

23 | Posted by Crenshaw Sepulveda | Mar 25, 08:47 PM

“What will happen to the people living in the Winthrop makes me sick. To revitalize a downtown by removing the poor is sad and misguided. A city with no heart will never be a great city. A city that cuts out its own heart is doomed to die.”

The heart of Tacoma is the tenants of the Winthrop?

24 | Posted by ca | Mar 26, 10:43 AM

You know, in Portland OR they have no problems with people living in subsidized apartments right next door to million dollar condominiums. People buy million dollar condos because of the neighborhood and only if it offers diversity. Creating the suburbs in a downtown area is absurd. First of all it will fail, second no one will really want to live there. A city shedding itself of its diversity is both economically unsound and just plain heartless. We are all the heart of Tacoma. I guess people will never learn.

25 | Posted by Crenshaw Sepulveda | Mar 26, 12:56 PM

Having high concentrations of low income residents in highrise buildings like The Winthrop is a recipe for disaster. Diversity is great, and having million dollar condos right next to low/medium income residences is even better. But you gotta admit downtown/hilltop is in no short supply of low income residences.

26 | Posted by ca | Mar 26, 07:18 PM

But you gotta admit Downtown, Hilltop, Eastside, South Tacoma, South End is in no short supply of low income residences.

Much better.

27 | Posted by Jake | Mar 26, 07:42 PM

You know, in Portland OR they have no problems with people living in subsidized apartments right next door to million dollar condominiums.

Tacoma is has its own uniqueness. Portland is often cited as a good model as well as Seattle and San Francisco as the urban design Tacoma wants. These cities all share a diverse populations as well as numerous restored historical hotels.

When the Winthrop issue was being discussed, some research was done and it turn out Tacoma was about the last city in the nation of its size without a 4 star hotel.

The demographics have changed some since the 2000 census.

Yet downtown is still the center one of the poorest areas of the city which is the opposite demographic of most cities where the downtown is the most prized property especially if it has views. There is also a very high concentration of group homes downtown and the surrounding areas which are not likely to move. Thus, I doubt we are going to see a gentrification anything like Seattle.

The new housing downtown is going to balance that out in some areas. However, its going to take many years to re-build downtown after 40 years of abandonment and neglect especially when many of the new condos are only around 30 – 40 units.

28 | Posted by Erik | Mar 26, 08:32 PM

Tacoma needs a 4 star hotel like it needs a hole in the head. I don’t care what the other cities of our size have, people don’t want to spend the night in Tacoma. To make the residents of the Winthrop face the uncertainty of possibly being homeless is heartless and cruel and unworthy of the city of Tacoma. To have designs on the Wintrop as a 4 star hotel that you can be sure no one will frequent is just absurd. I think we are making a good start with the condo development that is going on in downtown. Many new structures, some conversions that don’t impact the low income. Pretty sensible for the most part except the lower income people can afford them. Really is it necessary to drive from downtown the remaining low income people? My way of thinking the neighborhood will change as the residents change with the normal course of events. Or is there an ulterior motive? Are the developers worried that the poor will impact the prices of their fancy condos? My friends, what it looks like is going on is something very akin to ethnic cleansing. The sad thing is the City is willing to do this and in the end it will not make Tacoma a better place. You don’t make a city better by just helping one class of people, you make it better by insuring a better life for all. Helping developers get rich is no way to make a city better, and let us not forget all those 10 year tax abatements. You just have to love 10 year property tax abatements on million dollar condos.

29 | Posted by Crenshaw Sepulveda | Mar 26, 11:43 PM

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