Kickstand Cafe Closed Until Further Notice ( 8. May 2007, 14:32 by Derek Young) ~ We Do Like The Coffee

This sign has been in the window of the Kickstand Cafe on Fawcett for the last few days. The word on the street is that there may be a change of ownership in the works. Does anybody want to add some details? We need every coffee shop / meeting room we can get…

Thanks, Erik B for the pic

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I talked to a person in the adjacent art gallery.

They said there are new owners who are going to modify the place and change the name.

This was once “the” coffee shop downtown. Hope to see it rise up to the challenge again. There is a ton of new housing being built nearby. Shouldn’t be that awfully difficult to get it going.

1 | Posted by Erik B. | May 8, 03:07 PM

Yea, my cousin was actually looking to buy this place and settle here but may instead be opting for Centralia.

2 | Posted by KevinFreitas | May 8, 03:36 PM

True enough but ever since the original owners, Rich and laurel, sold and moved away … Kickstand hasn’t ever been the same. Those two were a couple of the first downtown business renaissance pioneers. Hope the kickstand can regroup and get back on track … it’s not any fun to drive by closed businesses.

3 | Posted by Jim @ PSP | May 8, 04:26 PM

C-Span called the current owners of the kickstand and they want their boring back. But seriously, I miss the old kickstand.

4 | Posted by RR Anderson | May 8, 04:31 PM

Considering the popularity of the other coffee shop on Fawcett, that the Kickstand has, once again, closed doesn’t surprise me too much.

What I’ve wondered, more than a few times, is if the Kickstand location would do better were it absorbed by the Grand Cinema as their cafe/concession stand. True, the Grand would have to pay whomever worked at the cafe, but the profit margins on drinks would offset that expense and generate some revenue for the Grand.

5 | Posted by Brooks | May 8, 07:10 PM

Since it had become a regular stop of mine (and the kids), I can add that I learned through osmosis months ago that this was in the works. The following may not be fact, but the birds I’ve spoken to have said that the recent owners had never run such a business and thought it would be…well, it wasn’t what they thought it would be. Which would explain a previous comment. The word I heard on the street was that the new owners have experience which could help re-root it, but one person I talked to was wary that the new owner’s…profile…would remove it even further from its open-minded funkiness. This is all rumor, mind you. I really hope it stays around, and be like it used to be.

6 | Posted by Dave L. | May 8, 08:36 PM

Considering the popularity of the other coffee shop on Fawcett, that the Kickstand has, once again, closed doesn’t surprise me too much.

Kickstand has a virtual monopoly on business from the Grand. A second art gallery is going to open up where the Kulture Lab is now.

There’s plenty of market for it enjoy given the endless strip mall “coffee” shops now in operation we are forced to endure.

7 | Posted by Erik B. | May 8, 08:38 PM

Art on Center is the “second art gallery” that is being renamed the a.o.c. gallery and moving into the Kulture Lab’s former space.

8 | Posted by beerBoy | May 9, 05:47 AM

The guy who owns Cosmic Coffee and One Heart (can’t remember his name) said he was moving into that spot. Wish I would have listened to what he was saying better (he was actaully talking with my son, and I was just standing there doing that smile and nod thing).

9 | Posted by Ann | May 9, 08:59 AM

It seems like ever since the new smoking law came out the Kickstand just hasnt been the same. It probably coincided with ownership changes. As long as they still have free wi-fi and bikes everywhere they can do whatever they want to it. Losing Tacoma icons is just something that goes along with “development” I suppose.

10 | Posted by Tacoma (A)roma | May 9, 09:27 AM

I heard the place is cursed and the new owners are having it exorcised. Probably just another rumor though…

11 | Posted by morgan | May 9, 09:52 AM

There is almost never a time when the Bostwick Tully’s isn’t packed. Hardly 50 yards away from the Tully’s was Mocha Mountain, even when Tully’s was packed you could swing a cat in there and not hit anyone. I guess when it comes down to it people are pretty particular about where they drink their coffee. I’ll mosey up to the Black Water when there is a line at Tully’s. I can hike up to the Black Water and get back with my coffee before the last person in line is being served at Tully’s and I’m a geezer that smokes far too much. I like the Black Water. It suits me. I think some people might have it right about the smoking ban, I understand that the drinking bone is connected to the smoking bone. Be that as it may, coffee shops do have to earn their clientele. There is more to the business than buying an expresso machine and opening the doors. Tully’s, though I hate to admit it, has done a splendid job of capturing the imagination of their customers, can’t say this really of Kick Stand, Black Water, or Mocha Mounain.

12 | Posted by Crenshaw Sepulveda | May 9, 10:30 AM

The smoking ban was a glorious gift from baby Jesus. I can go out at night and not feel the icy fingers of death shoved up my nostrils, which is a serious boon by any standard.

13 | Posted by RR Anderson | May 9, 11:06 AM

The owner of Cosmic & One Heart (Lamont) had told me a couple of months ago that he was looking at Kickstand. He also used to own One World, One Love down on the 9th Street strip that used to have !Heel, Tremmor’s & Christine’s Day Spa (all gone). If he is moving in, he should do alright with the place. He’s a pretty high-minded individual with a good sense of community.

I know that after Rich & Laurel left, the lady that bought the place came in from Puyallup. She really had no understanding of the neighborhood or the clientele she was picking up… just a bad mix all around. Here’s hopin’.

14 | Posted by Matt | May 9, 11:27 AM

I worked for Rich & Laurel before they sold, and with the new owners for a while after they came and took over. I missed Rich & Laurel’s care for the community, their understanding of the people who came in, and made Kickstand their home.

After they left, most of their staff made an exodus as well, and I became the employee with the longest tenure there (a whole 6 months), and not all of the new hires filled the holes of the old.

I’ll miss it if it’s not there, but at the same time I haven’t been there for a long time. The coffee was too inconsistent and the help was all over the map as well.

Best of luck to whoever moves on in. It’s blocks away from me, and I’d love to make it more of a frequent stop, but haven’t had a reason for a long time.

15 | Posted by Brian | May 10, 08:20 AM

I guess the sad truth is there is a limit to how many coffee shops an area can support and we may just be seeing that. Wanting cool coffee shops to abound is not enough for them to stay in business. People have to support them and they need to be worthy of support. I think we will always have a coffee culture here in Tacoma and the northwest, but let’s not kid our selves that it is the only sign of civilization or cool. A good coffee shop is just one component of what makes a neighborhood a very desirable place. Coffee shops are great, but they aren’t everything.

16 | Posted by Crenshaw Sepulveda | May 10, 10:01 PM

People have to support them and they need to be worthy of support.

They have a tried and true location which is even better with the new housing coming in.

However, they have to be pretty disciplined in pulling it off. Here’s what might be a good approach:

First, get AJ in from Valhalla Coffee for the selection/purchase of their coffee machine and for a custom roast. He can also train the staff on using it and hold the new owner’s hand in bring ing their product up to speed. He’s gotten a number of places off the ground and could certainly help Kickstand get back on track.

Second, the new owners need to try to obtain some skilled baristas. Not all that easy as many of the chain coffee shops have de-skilled the typical barista tasks these days with the introduction of the new machines.

Kickstand used to have some of the best in Tacoma, but now they are going to have to start from stratch. The owner should probably make sure he or she is a wiz at coffee making first, under AJ’s tutalige and then train others. They could take the quick learning route by hanging out at Blackwater for a few weeks, maybe even working there incognito.

If they can’t put out a superior product, they shouldn’t open as the bar is too high in Tacoma these days to slop something out and hope for the best.

Third, the interior of Kickstand needs some help. The problem is that they placed the kitchen in the middle of the space which will cost a fortune to move. They may be stuck with it.

A good coffee shop is just one component of what makes a neighborhood a very desirable place. Coffee shops are great, but they aren’t everything

But nearly so. :)

17 | Posted by Erik B. | May 10, 11:06 PM

I’ll chime in again, with a few additions or other observations.

To your first point, and though I’d love to support Tacoma roasters, I’d go outside of it for your beans. I like some of what AJ has done, but I’d like to see a variety of different espresso made in Tacoma as well. I have not seen what Blackwater has done with his coffee yet (going this weekend) but I feel disappointed every time I have an espresso drink made for me at Mandolin Cafe, and I just want to try his coffee made by a great, well trained barista.

I think that’s the key here, is finding experienced baristas who able to make great coffee, or at least new ones who are trained well and have a manager/owner who is devoted to the same. It’s a tough thing to do, and quality control is huge. That’s, like I said earlier, why I ended up not frequenting the Kickstand much anymore, because the quality, while using nice Cafe Vita coffee, was all over the map.

So far I’ve been impressed with Firehouse in the two times I’ve been there. Good coffee, my Americano was strong, great dark rich creama, and made efficiently. The other was the suprising Java Fusion down 6th Ave, not too far from the new Carl’s Jr. I didn’t expect much out of the place, but the owner has taken the Vivace beans and training to heart, and really committed herself to the coffee. I watched her coach and mentor her staff through making the coffee and she wasn’t afraid to have the barista remake the shot if it wasn’t quite right.

So here’s to holding out hope that Blackwater is great, that the new Kickstand space owners get it right, and that a great Tacoma coffee scene with a commitment to excellence sticks around.

18 | Posted by Brian | May 11, 07:25 AM

i worked for rich and laurel and then for dawn and chris cavin who bought the place from r&l. the cavins came from federal way and had no business talent. dawn was an emotional wreck and a tyranical boss. it’s a shame what happened to the kickstand. tacoma never forgets, so god-speed to the new owners. please change EVERYTHING. service, sense of neighborhood, concept, furnishings, etc. if you dont, you will be forever compared to r&l and hear you shoulda been here when/remember when for the rest of time.
rachel moorehead/blackwater struggled $$ at first, but has the support of her community behind her and has had success because of it. not to mention the outstanding coffee and latte design!
we’d all go out of our way to visit a cafe with all the right details.

19 | Posted by carrot | May 11, 10:03 AM

I drove by there today and they’ve brown papered the windows. It’s going to be the One Heart Cafe. This will be owned by Lamont (owns Cosmic Coffee at the bus station and One Heart at SOTA)

20 | Posted by Matt | May 11, 03:26 PM

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