The News Tribune is reporting that Winfields, the restaurant in the old David’s On Broadway building, has closed its doors. We hardly knew the place… it practically just opened. Anybody looking for a restaurant space with views of the water?
Link to The News Tribune
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Ed’s diner had a particularly devastating review of the restaurant which I doubt helped them (see excerpts below)
I don’t know Thomas Mott. Never met him. Never spoken with him. Never, to my knowledge, eaten his cooking. That last statement is the troublesome part.
I’ve eaten at Mott’s new restaurant, Winfield’s Twisted Cue, four times since it opened in late March in the colorful white downtown Tacoma mansion formerly known as David’s on Broadway and before that, the University Union Club.
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Three out of four times, I saw the chef/owner of Winfield’s somewhere other than in the kitchen.
Meanwhile with Mott clearly anywhere but in the kitchen, my porterhouse steak tasted like liver; the kitchen staff burned its first attempt at serving me fried chicken and undercooked the next; prime rib sandwich morphed into deli-sliced roast beef; and fish and chips were literal – the former was fishy and the latter tasted like they’d been chipped off a raw potato.
...There’s an old and moldy smell in the dining room, the bar and the billiards parlor. Floors list and sag. Food takes a long time to arrive. Except for french toast and fresh fruit, what I ate wasn’t good. I question some servers’ hygeine.
It feels like a remodeled motel off some forgotten highway.
Cue the theme from “Psycho.”
This isn’t what Tacoma needs. Winfield’s is Tacoma’s inferiority complex writ large.
Wow, that’s a harsh review. We tried the place out a few times, and also the bar. I do have to say the food was at best so-so, service was slow, but man, that’s still pretty harsh.
2 | Posted by Ann | Jul 25, 06:18 PM
I never ate there. Everythign I heard or read was pretty terrible.
3 | Posted by CA | Jul 25, 06:34 PM
Yea, I posted a sneak peak of the place a while back and gave it a mixed review later. Still the place had plenty of potential. Thanks for trying anyway, Winfield’s. Fare thee well!
4 | Posted by KevinFreitas | Jul 25, 07:54 PM
I had a friend go there for brunch and said it costs like 20 dollars a person, just for so so food.
I think that place would be a great mansion. How much are they asking for the building?
5 | Posted by snoopy | Jul 25, 08:27 PM
I want something to work here bad. So much potential.
The restaurant scene is getting pretty competitive in Tacoma. One has to be good, very good to survive and probably have some unique niche as well.
Someone should try again in the near future at this location.
There is a slew of new housing going up in the area with 2 new apartment houses and two condos. Around 100 apartments in 6 months and around 140 condos within a year. All new potential customers.
The mansion still needs a ton of work and money to get it really up to shape. The whole place is made of wood.
The potato skins were the best. Other than that the place gives me the creeps. Probably from the ghost living in the attic.
Anyhow, despite the building’s problems they ain’t nothing a good flame thrower couldn’t fix.
7 | Posted by RR Anderson | Jul 25, 09:45 PM
Condos and apartments right around the corner. How sad, how sad. Will these new condo owners and apartment dwellers really support a place that serves terrible food? I believe that people tend to support places that serve good food regardless of where it is located. Having a place that serves lousy food in your neighborhood is not ticket to success.
There is this old Woody
Allen movie where some women are complaining about a restaurant. The food here is terrible. The other women chimes in, and the portions are so small. Sometimes I wonder if Tacoma wants bigger portions of terrible food.
8 | Posted by Crenshaw Sepulveda | Jul 25, 10:02 PM
Dang! We had never gone but were just talking about it this past weekend. We’re looking for a place to play pool.
10 | Posted by heather | Jul 26, 07:42 AM
Loved the comment by the owners in the TNT this morning, that they “were disappointed in Tacoma’s support” for Winfields. I guess we were supposed to eat there, regardless, in order to provide revenue to an out-of-town property owner who seems to have little interest in the place.
11 | Posted by UPSPatrick | Jul 26, 08:19 AM
I work about a block away from David’s/Winfield’s, the entire office was excited when we saw renovations and the flurry of activity. What a major disappointment. Bad food, a Vegas style carpet and garish paint, and some of the worst service I have experienced in dining out. Good ridance.
12 | Posted by Tracy | Jul 26, 08:36 AM
Loved the comment by the owners in the TNT this morning, that they “were disappointed in Tacoma’s support”
A friend of mine told me the owners of the Garage (not too far from Winfield’s) had similar thoughts when he closed down. Something about Tacoma “not being ready” for his concept. So he closed it and will re-open in a few years. While this is a unique idea for a business plan, I don’t think they will be teaching this concept anytime soon i business schools.
Have you noticed that both Winfield’s and the Garage opened with little to no community outreach or input? Seems like there may be something to learn here for future restaurant owners.
13 | Posted by ma | Jul 26, 08:39 AM
Which one is the Garage? Is that the new club up on that desolate parking garage block of Market?
The very same one.
15 | Posted by ma | Jul 26, 10:06 AM
We walked by to check out Winfields while it was open, and were completely turned off by the lack of attention to detail. The plants outside looked horrible, the banners were hung crooked and the cheezy christmas lights were only half working – and this was when it was new. I don’t think it has anything to do with Tacoma not being ready, I think it has to do with Tacomans having some expectations of quality.
16 | Posted by Krysta | Jul 26, 10:10 AM
Last night I “supported” Masa. And on Monday night I “supported” the Harmon. As it happens, the Harmon was packed, so I knew they were making a good case to their donors.
It would be a shame if people went to restaurants that they actually liked instead of going to places that needed “support.”
17 | Posted by Erik Hanberg | Jul 26, 10:13 AM
Tacoma is not responsible for Winfield’s failure – Winfield’s is responsible for Winfield’s failure. Winfield’s owners would not have hesitated to pat themselves on the back (and justifiably so) had their place survived. Their closure speaks to the standards Tacoman’s have – we don’t support places where food, service and decor fall short. I’m disappointed that they didn’t make a go of it – but I watch with anticipation of what will try it next in this cool old building.
18 | Posted by HollyM | Jul 26, 02:30 PM
I have to agree on the Garage and Winfields in terms of lack of curb appeal. Step one in any (well most) business plans would be to look inviting on the outside. At Winfields, the cheesy lattice and piece-meal decking with overgrown blackberry and weeds on the lower side, coupled with peeling paint told me to expect the same inside. And the Garage looked cool until they put up that sagging plywood overhang, and never bothered to finish painting the exterior. I could never tell if it was open for business yet. Spruce it up people!
19 | Posted by Steve | Jul 26, 03:16 PM
perhaps this is a bellweather of a changing Tacoma-that it’s no longer a seller’s market, that you have to eat bad food or tolerate lousy service because it’s the only option.
20 | Posted by UPSPatrick | Jul 26, 03:48 PM
I think UPSPatrick is right on the mark. This isnt the same Tacoma it was 10, or even 5 years ago. We now have OPTIONS and a dirty cheesey restaurant with bad food isnt gonna cut it just because they have a view….
21 | Posted by CA | Jul 26, 09:33 PM
Interesting, restaurants that provide good service and food in a pleasant environment are supported by the public, those that don’t do this are pretty much ignored. Local ownership of a business tends to be more responsive to the needs of its customers than out of town ownership. Pretty much textbook stuff. Why is it so hard to do? Plenty of restaurants within walking distance of Winfield’s that apparently read the textbook and followed the simple guidelines.
It seems to me that Tacoma is a town where outsiders think they can make a fast buck. I really believe that they think we’ll buy anything, that Tacoma has such an inferiority complex that if some slick outside operator comes in that the local rubes will support the operation because we don’t know any better and that we are desperate to be on the map.
I’ve always maintained that the people in Tacoma are pretty smart, they know what they want and they can find their way to Seattle if they really find it necessary. For Tacoma to prosper it will come from within and from the bright young people we attract to Tacoma because they believe it is a good place to live and earn a living. No amount of outside carpet baggers and paid consultants will make Tacoma the city she deserves to be. I’m really glad that Tacoma did not play the sucker vis a vis Winfield’s, I have hope.
22 | Posted by Crenshaw Sepulveda | Jul 27, 01:03 AM
The Garage is an interesting one, in that the original plans for the place were more upscale than what resulted. Maybe they ran out of money and just thought they could cash in on the club scene (which seems more precarious than just running a semi-decent restaurant, but what do I know).
23 | Posted by UPSPatrick | Jul 27, 11:39 AM
Two words: bowling alley
David’s new incarnation could be downtown Tacoma’s long-awaited Broadway Bowl??
(only partially joking)
24 | Posted by laura s. | Jul 27, 11:54 AM
I don’t know how many times I’ve said this on Exit133, but I think that so many of these new places fail because they are overly ambitious. I looked into the Garage when it was under construction and wondered, “how in the world will they ever fill all that space?” These restaurant and business owners think they have to build at a Las Vegas scale right off the bat.
Fortunately, there are numerous examples of businesses that don’t share that logic. Of course, these are the businesses that start small, build up a customer base, and THEN expand. Think Puget Sound Pizza. Blackwater is doing well with just a couple tables.
One business that has failed in this regard is the St. Helens Cafe. Not only does it have the dumbest name in the world, but the food sucks and the space is WAY too big for the operation. The place looks empty when it’s half full. I’m surprised it hasn’t followed the path of Winfield’s and the Garage.
I enjoyed the food at St. Helens Cafe myself…. the place looks great on the inside…. maybe my standards are low…
26 | Posted by snoopy | Jul 27, 02:03 PM
So, the question now is: what would we like to see in that building?
28 | Posted by ma | Jul 27, 11:20 PM
Just to clarify some facts here: Winfields was owned by Thomas Mott. He has lived in Tacoma his entire life. The building is owned by David, (of David’s on Broadway) and his estate. Since his stroke, his daughter has been the executer of his estate, who lives out of state. I believe everyone is talking about her when referring to the owners quote from the TNT. When Thomas leased the building from David’s estate, they came to an agreement that Thomas would pay $150,000 to remodel the building and the estate would pay him back in the near future. This past Monday, David’s daughter told Thomas that they would not be reimbursing him so he had no choice but to close down. Also, he still owes almost all of his employees back-pay and credit card tips. I tend to agree with people who have eaten there, the food was definately lacking in the taste department. Definately not a five star restaraunt by any means!
29 | Posted by buddahbelly | Jul 27, 11:22 PM
I was skeptical of St. Helens Cafe when it opened, because of its size. But I love the fish and it’s very convenient when I want a Saturday lunch.
I think you’ll see them slowly fill up; each time I go it seems like there are more people there. And I think the restaurant owner is a much better businessperson and has enough capital to be in it for the long haul.
30 | Posted by Erik Hanberg | Jul 28, 01:13 AM
I agree with Drizell, these owners were overly ambitious. Too much, too soon can kill you. This is a tough business to be in and it will suck the life out of you if you are not careful. I know of where I speak. Folks are quick to criticize when you have never owned your own restaurant. There should be a reality show based on owning and running a restaurant. It would open a few eyes.
Every person that goes into a restaurant is a critic, that is also the nature of the business. I’m surprised that anyone would go into the business of preparing food for a critical audience without knowing just a few things like:
People like eating food that is tasty and in an environment that is appropriate to the serving and eating of said food.
People tend not to go back to restaurants that fail in the above or go to them at all if they hear that the restaurant failed in the above.
I’m sure there must have been some people that liked eating at Winfield’s that is the nature of things, people’s tastes vary, sadly you do need to draw a fair amount of business to stay in business. If you go into the restaurant business and don’t know how important your customer’s opinions are then you are simply a fool.
34 | Posted by Crenshaw Sepulveda | Jul 28, 01:57 PM
We ate at Winfields a couple times. Food was mediocre, prices were low, service was friendly, if lax. The look and feel of the place wasn’t far from being a truck stop with lipstick and shag carpeting. The biker bar with black velvet paintings in the basement was a bit much. But, it did have a great view and plenty of space to sit. And PARK! OMIGOD. Some of the best parking in town! Okay, I’m just kidding about parking.
35 | Posted by ixora | Jul 28, 02:33 PM
I never ate at either. And I just realized it wasn’t “David’s” anymore just the other day…. And I drive by there regularly.
I remember hearing from some old OLD David’s staff that there was a prostitution ring running through there.
Makes me giggle.
36 | Posted by Steffie | Jul 29, 08:13 AM
I walk by the building everyday to work, and only once have I been in there. I had one beer, and felt uncomfortable the whole time. I’m blaming it on ghosts that haunt the place. It has such a weird vibe to it, but it might just be me(and a couple friends).
I definitely think the idea of a bowling alley isn’t far-fetched at all! It would make for an awesome hang out location, if somebody did a major re-modeling on the place.
37 | Posted by Ms. Susan Dandy | Jul 29, 01:46 PM
Steffie
Thats the reason I never went there. I also heard it was just a bunch of old farts and some wannabe high class hookers
38 | Posted by Eric | Jul 29, 03:16 PM
Winfields & the Garage seemed to go hand in hand with a portion of Tacoma’s population that doesn’t work, creates crappy art, and then wants you to love them for being artistic. Good results derive from good decisions and hard work strung together. Get your act together and people will come, support your business, and enjoy spending money there(e.g. Paddy Coins)
Half-measures avail nothing.
39 | Posted by ?Uncertain_on_Tacoma | Jul 30, 12:30 AM
drizell I think you’re being harsh on St. Helens Cafe. The name makes sense as they are above St. Helens the street, and their fish is excellent and their burgers delish. Their servers are friendly and their space does fill up. When the garage doors are open it’s a great local spot to sit and relax. I’ve spoken to several people who love spending time there and will go there more than once a week for dinner or lunch. I’m not surprised at all that it’s still open. In fact… I think I’ll go there tonight!
I’m not surprised that Winfield’s closed. The food was not good, and the atmosphere was biker-type.
I try to support local venues, there are lots of really nice places to eat in downtown Tacoma!
Liz
42 | Posted by Elizabeth Burris | Aug 1, 11:19 AM
I used to work at the place when it was “David’s on Broadway” and it was a little dumpy inside. I think it has GREAT potential though, just not sure for what. Getting some landscaping done certainly wouldnt hurt the place.
Also, yes, it is very haunted in there. I can recall hearing voices in the basement, as well as having lights randomly turn on/off.
43 | Posted by Tacoma (A)roma | Aug 1, 11:46 AM
Interesting thread (I’ve been in the food business for years)...I agree, half measures avail nothing. Thank goodness Tacoma is growing up and seeing itself for what it really can be! Mediocrity is just that. Excellence and success go hand in hand. Keep striving Tacoma! (also, I love the St. Helens Cafe and the folks who work there are great!!)
I love St. Helens Cafe. You know the staff and owners are very approachable, you might suggest some veggie dishes. I’m sure they’d be up for it.
I loved David’s on Broadway, but it’s always been a spooky place with an Atlantic City vibe. Wish E.R. Rodgers folks would come back to us foodies, David’s would be a great place for them to make a come back.
45 | Posted by Christy | Aug 1, 11:16 PM
Oh, Man, don’t get me started on E.R. Rogers. I’m going to hate driving by there now (Steilacoom) and see it as lawyers’ offices (not that there’s anything wrong with that, generally). They jacked it level, put in a generic foundation, generic retaining walls, and put in Marvin Windows. (Sorry for hijacking the thread) The only thing I liked about Winfield’s is that they kept some of the original stuff, like the photographs of all the Club members on the wall. I love the building (not the addition), but it’s going to take a serious investment. I miss E.R. Rogers.
46 | Posted by Broadway resident | Aug 2, 08:18 AM
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