Proposition 1 on City Council Agenda (28. September 2007, 09:13 by Derek Young) ~ With Us Or Against Us

As we read through next week’s City Council agenda, we were confused. Wait, we’re going to support it… then consider whether we’re not going to support it. So, the middle ground is to neither support or oppose? This can’t be a simple yes/no…

For consideration are two propositions related to the regional rail and transit system.

Item #11548

Expressing support for Proposition 1, which implements new sales and motor vehicle taxes for the roads and transit funding package in parts of Pierce, King and Snohomish Counties, and being placed on the November 6 ballot.

Item #11549

Expressing opposition for Proposition 1, which implements new sales and motor vehicle taxes for the roads and transit funding package in parts of Pierce, King and Snohomish Counties, and being placed on the November 6 ballot.

This should be an interesting meeting.

(Thank you, Erik B)

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Interesting issue, indeed. Seems like there is something in there for everyone & we’ll be making big taxation & public policy decisions primarily for our kids & not ourselves…don’t they call that Taxation without representation?!

Seattle Times Op-Ed_________________
Sims won’t follow others down this long, expensive road

In the politics of the monster-sized roads-and-transit package on the November ballot, only one kind of behavior is permitted: chirpy, bobblehead-like support.

It is unkosher, almost verboten, to be a civic leader and say something derogatory about the $18 billion package. (I know, it’s either $18 billion or $38 billion, depending on who and how you ask.)

That makes it all the more extraordinary that the executive of the largest county, with some of the largest projects and largest sums of cash to be raised, announces today that he opposes the plan.

King County Executive Ron Sims will not support Proposition 1, the road and Sound Transit expansion project, though he was one of the biggest boosters of earlier Sound Transit light rail. He has thought long and hard about the proposal and decided to vote no. (See Sims’ commentary on the adjoining page.)

Most “goo goos” (good-government types) in three counties — King, Pierce and Snohomish — rally around the proposal with arguments as underwhelming as, “Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good”; “It’s the best we can get”; and, “We’ve simply got to do something.”

Zagging while others are zigging, Sims says he can’t live with himself if he doesn’t say what is on his mind. Last week, Sims said he was neither for or against the proposal. The truth is, he opposes it and has felt that way a long time.

Hooray for Sims for having the guts to come out and say something daring and different in a regional culture that promotes silence and boosterism, and has little use for contrariness.

The largest tax package in state history has surprisingly few people willing to put their face on it. King County Councilwoman Julia Patterson is hawking it. Gov. Christine Gregoire supports it. Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels sent a letter supportive of the plan to other mayors.

Many other politicos seem to be holding their breath, shrugging their shoulders, bobbing their heads yes, but in a way that says, “We’ll just see if voters buy this thing.”

Not Sims. Not today.

“This plan is inadequate,” he writes. “We need to focus on bold solutions that offer immediate relief and a better tomorrow. … Until we have real transportation solutions, I’m a ‘no’ vote.”

Sims began describing his concerns about the package last summer. He held back because he didn’t want another regional spat like the huge city-state imbroglio over the Alaskan Way Viaduct. But he is out now, ready to accept the fallout.

“I know the rules regarding speaking out. I know what is going to happen to me,” Sims said. “There is no free lunch in this town so I am going to get hit really hard.”

Sims’ opposition follows three general tracks. First, he worries more than two dozen road projects and plans for light rail do not mesh with his enormous concerns about global warming. He is truly, deep down, troubled that he speaks nationally on the topic and then might be considered a silent supporter of this tax measure.

“I’m not against roads, I am not against transit,” he explained in an interview. “This package will not help fight global warming.”

Sims also calls the .6 percent sales-tax increase to 9.5 percent in King County, (10 percent in bars and restaurants) regressive and harmful to poor people.

Additionally, Sims says some light rail is being built in the wrong place, specifically from Sea-Tac Airport to Tacoma, at a very high cost per passenger.

Sims is a big supporter of congestion pricing, which, he believes, really does address global warming because it changes motorists’ behavior.

Personally, I am still considering Proposition 1. If I had to vote tomorrow, I would vote no, because of affordability. In the effort to create a package that attracts more than 50 percent of voters, good proposals have been added to other good proposals. Packagers, I fear, had to add too much — the proposal is just too darn big.

Last year, Seattle voters approved $365 million in taxes for roads and bridges. King County voters agreed to spend $50 million a year for 10 years to expand bus service. It is not exactly as if we are tightwads. In the process of a lot of agreeing to these and other voter-approved measures, however, we are pricing the middle class out of our cities and suburbs.

Instead of railing against Sims, thank him for his candor and outspokenness on the most important local public-policy decision of the year — yes, even if you are the biggest booster in town for the project.

Sims has an informed, important position he is willing to share. To me, that is called leadership.

Joni Balter’s column appears regularly on editorial pages of The Times. Her e-mail address is jbalter@seattletimes.com; for a podcast Q&A with the author, go to Opinion at seattletimes.com

Copyright © 2007 The Seattle Times Company

1 | Posted by phil | Sep 28, 09:42 AM

Apparently, ANY single member of the Tacoma City Council can place something on the agenda. Thus, I can see why this is there.

Julie Anderson will be requesting the support of council for Proposition #1 while Stenger will be requesting that the council take a position against the measure.

In other cities I have seen, it takes either the mayor or a majority of the council to place something on the agenda.

2 | Posted by Erik B. | Sep 28, 12:47 PM

Not that anyone asked, but here’s what I think:

I totally agree with Ron Sims’ opinion article that extending the line to Tacoma is not worth the massive costs. Ultimately, I’m opposed to the idea that we’d spend all that money to continue making Tacoma a huge bedroom community for Seattle workers. I have several smart, educated, 30-something friends who love Tacoma and its housing market, but can only find good jobs in Seattle and have to waste hours a day in their cars. I bet we all know people like that.

What really needs to happen is that more and better jobs come to Tacoma, because it’s the lack of those jobs that has plugged up roads in the first place. We have plenty of smart people down here, and we want to keep them here, not pay billions to shuttle them up to Seattle on a cute, slow train. If we took half the money we’re considering spending on the Roads & Transit tax measure and invest it in local streetcars to get people from homes to jobs in downtown Tacoma, and improve other options like telecommuting, and just make a few job-growing road improvements to trucking corridors around the port, we’d be a happier and less-indebted region!

3 | Posted by NSHDscott | Sep 28, 02:11 PM

I support both intra-city (streetcar/Link extension, whatever) and inter-city rail. It’s not an either/or in the long run, so why not work for both and vote yes for both when we’ve got the opportunity? Light rail to the airport and Seattle beyond would better integrate Tacoma into the broader Puget Sound metro area. So, just as intra-city rail would facilitate employment growth in Tacoma, so would inter-city rail.

4 | Posted by michael g. | Sep 28, 04:16 PM

Please check out our blog for more details on both the Tacoma City Council issue and Ron Sims’ view of the Roads & Transit package: http://on-ramp.blogspot.com

5 | Posted by Paul Ellis | Sep 28, 07:30 PM

The Tacoma News Tribune editorial seems to say that one of the reasons King County Executive Ron Sims is against the plan is that Sims believes too much money on Tacoma’s portion. Here’s the TNT’s kicker:

Sims’ new stance is precisely what a lot of South Sounders were worried about years ago: If transit taxes approved in 1996 were spent building light rail in Seattle, the voters of that city – having gotten their line – would lose interest in paying to extend rail to Tacoma, Bellevue and Snohomish County.

Here’s another blog of Paul Ellis entitled “On-ramp” where he makes the case for Proposition #1:

Most political strategists will say that the best place for a campaign to aim its efforts is into the broad middle ground of voters—and that one way to judge that positioning is when those on either extreme of an issue are taking shots. If so, the Roads & Transit campaign is clearly in that sweet spot.

6 | Posted by Erik B. | Sep 28, 08:58 PM

Certainly both extremes are taking shots at the roads and transit package — I hope that’s a good and not a bad sign for its prospects of passing. Despite what many opponents say, the road part of the bill doesn’t focus on new roads — it’s focused on replacing and slightly expanding existing roads. It adds a couple stretches of new highway (like 167, which will be good for traffic and probably for restoring better access to the Puyallup River), but most of the money goes toward needed repairs and expansions (mostly 520 and 405). It would have been good for Tacoma and the local environment if 405 had never been built. But it’s there, and its congestion is such that even to have an effective HOV or bus lane it needs another lane.

If it was a serious roads package, pave-the-world types like Bellevue developer Kemper Freeman would be supporting it rather than teaming up with strange bedfellow Sims to try and kill it.

And building light rail to Tacoma will be a great deal for Tacoma, as it will make Tacoma a viable job center for people living between Tacoma and Seattle. As much as cities like Tacoma and Seattle dream of having all their workers living in the city limits, it’s not going to happen. Tacoma needs good inter-city transit to be a major employment hub.

Finally, areas around light rail stations tend to get major retail and residential development. This will be great for the south downtown area and downtown on the whole. Having Tacoma better linked into the rest of Puget Sound will also probably make developing intra-city rail (streetcars) easier, as it will making investing throughout Tacoma make more sense than it would if Tacoma remains relatively inaccessible due to bad freeway traffic and limited transit options.

7 | Posted by michael g. | Sep 29, 08:29 AM

The point of establishing an electric light rail backbone in the Puget Sound (from Everett to Tacoma to Bellevue) is to lay the groundwork for a region that can decouple economic growth from reliance on the automobile (which itself has tremendous personal, social, and environmental O&M costs). Once the central light rail line is in place and the various municipalities along the backbone have connected their own high quality mass transit systems to it, we are that much closer to decoupling economic growth from the automobile, the cost and availablility of fossil fuels, and from climate change.

It is more difficult to do this comprehensively, as a region, without a regional perspective concerning light rail. I should note that the old streetcar system in Tacoma collapsed shortly after the regional rail transit connections to Seattle and Puyallup were shut down, indicating that without a transit system that works for the whole region, local transit systems will not be as effective at courting riders. The South Puget Sound cannot be allowed to languish in the unresponsive auto-oriented policies of the second half of the 20th century, while King County moves forward in the 21st. It is not in the best interests of the region because the auto-oriented policies have proven to encourage regional traffic, regional sprawl, and economic ruin to established central cities. Ron Sims is right in that the cost per passenger is high right now, but the averted cost from reducing our reliance on fossil fuels sets the stage for a strong and cohesive region that has successfully decoupled economic vitality with environmental degradation.

8 | Posted by Chris Karnes | Sep 29, 09:31 AM

Today, Pierce County Executive John Ladenburg appears to second the Tribune’s opinion that Sim’s opposition to Proposition #1 is due to Seattle effort to shortchange Tacoma and Pierce County:

We’re asked to support projects such as the Alaska Way Viaduct, the Highway 520 floating bridge and light rail from Seattle to the airport because they are issues of regional importance.

We understand it doesn’t do any good to fix a bottleneck down here just to have it appear somewhere else, so we do the right thing and pitch in. Unfortunately, there are those up north who don’t share that sentiment.

It’s obvious where the money should go. Sounds like another example of a leader from up north knowing what’s best for us down here.

Pretty well said. It’s a good thing we have local artists to explain this dynamic.

Another great source for information on Proposition #1 will be the showdown between Julie Anderson and Stenger this Tuesday at the Tacoma City Council meeting with their opposing resolutions. What a great way to bring an issue to a head.

I am sure the other council members will weigh in as well.

Anderson, Sound Transit Board member and Governor Greogire’s senior policy advisor for the Washington State Department of Community, Trade and Economic Development make the case for Proposition #1 well and explain some of the history and complexities of the issue.

Stenger, a former Pierce County Deputy prosecutor will certainly make the case against Proposition #1 as well with alot of passion.

Plus, Anderson is a fan of South 5 so much so that she had the clip played before the Tacoma City Council and placed on the city cable channel for a time. Very appropriate as much of the Proposition #1 issue appears to be a regional conflict.

9 | Posted by Erik B. | Sep 30, 11:07 AM

Hugely expensive project with many moving parts worthy of an extensive public debate. Hurray that Exec. Sims has opened up the process for that reason alone. None of us wants another Denver Airport, Boston Tunnel or Sound Transit, Part I.

10 | Posted by Phil | Sep 30, 12:19 PM

Not sure which way I will vote but you know someday there will be light rail from Tacoma to Seatac. We can pay now or pay more later.

11 | Posted by Jake | Sep 30, 01:45 PM

It’s not like Tacoma didn’t benefit a lot from Sound Transit I, Phil — seems worth it to me. The Sounder and the ST Express buses don’t meet the city’s long-term needs, but they’re huge improvements over what Tacoma had before. ST2 will (eventually) make Tacoma’s connection to the rest of the region quite good, allowing Tacoma to focus on improving the system within the city.

Whatever happens with ST2, it would be nice to get ST Express buses out of rush hour traffic by having more restrictive HOV rules during the peak commute.

12 | Posted by michael g. | Sep 30, 03:08 PM

Stenger, a former Pierce County Deputy prosecutor will certainly make the case against Proposition #1 as well with alot of passion

This is interesting because Stenger is also on the board for Pierce Transit… along with Ladenburg.

13 | Posted by morgan | Sep 30, 05:17 PM

There are a lot of moving parts to this plan – a list of the projects are here www.yesonroadsandtransit.org .

I’d have to disagree with those commending Ron Sims. Sims rubber stamped the process for the past two years and with 6 weeks left he tries to wreck the consensus that has been built?

Just so eveyone knows, here are some endorsers from Pierce County:
Tacoma-Pierce Chamber of Commerce, Puyallup/Sumner Chamber, Fife Area Chamber, Boeing

Washington State Labor Council, Pierce County Central Labor Council

Tahoma Audubon, Washington Conservation Voters

27th District Dems, Pierce County Democrats

14 | Posted by gypsy_dog | Sep 30, 10:39 PM

I’m still not sure how I feel about the package. I love the rails part … but am still unsure about the highways.

That said, I probably will end up voting for it because when it comes to all projects like this I believe one thing is true: it’s always cheaper to build it now then to build it later. And we’ll eventually need them.

15 | Posted by Erik Hanberg | Oct 1, 07:48 AM

gypsy_dog, the thing is, I don’t think Ron Sims was rubber-stamping this thing the whole way along. Even with his criticisms of the choice for light rail routing, if we had the opportunity just to vote on the public transit portion of the package, Sims would be 100% behind it. It’s actually a pretty bold political move for him to come out in opposition.

The problem is that our legislature seriously f’ed things up by tying roads and transit together. It’s just not a good form of consensus-building if the environmental benefit of adding public transit is voided by the increased traffic on all of the new roads. I’m still working through this in my head, but if I end up voting “yes”, I’ll be holding my nose while doing so.

16 | Posted by jamie from thriceallamerican | Oct 1, 08:43 AM

Gregoire speaks on the issue today:

OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) – Gov. Chris Gregoire, disagreeing with fellow Democrat Ron Sims, said Monday that public safety and the Puget Sound economy could take a big hit if the region’s voters don’t approve a tax package for transit and highways.

17 | Posted by Erik B. | Oct 1, 04:11 PM

Newsflash from the TNT:

Update: Have an unconfirmed report, as of 5 p.m., that the resolutions have been pulled from Tuesday’s agenda. Seeking confirmation.

Hmmmmmm. Speculate at will.

18 | Posted by Erik B. | Oct 1, 11:35 PM

they will not be voted on tonight but will be discussed. the reason described was a late response for information from sound transit.

19 | Posted by urban explorer | Oct 2, 02:50 PM

Ok. Both the pro and con proposals are on the agenda tonight.

At the last city council meeting, the councilmembers discussed the opposing resolutions again.

Stenger and Lonergan clearly opposed proposition #1.

Lonergan invited Anderson to drop her propoposed resolution in favor of Proposition #1 and that he would drop his proposed resolution against. Anderson indicated she would consider this suggestion.

Apparently, Anderson has declined Lonergan’s suggestion and will try to have the council support Proposition #1.

Stenger has consequently re-submitted his proposed resolution against Proposition #1.

I support Stenger’s valiant opposition to the proposed and badly designed Sound Transit crossing on Pacific Avenue.

However, I am keeping my mind open on Proposition #1 and I don’t think the issues should be linked.

Tonight’s debate has the potential to be a great debate for and against Proposition #1. I am sure a number of councilmembers are preparing some significant speeches.

Perhaps someone can capture some of the video.

20 | Posted by Erik B. | Oct 9, 03:54 PM

does anyone else think that crossing a track right through Pacific Ave is a bad idea??? Not only for all the reasons that we’ve talked about but think of the traffic caused by the train on Pacific….talk about backups…….and isn’t Anderson in a conflict of interest here???? she’s on the board, but yet she’s on the council and is suppose to do what’s best for the city…..yeah right…….since when has the council or mayor done anything that’s good for this town……….the only one bringing any ideas to the table about a vision or the future is the city manager……

21 | Posted by rich | Oct 9, 04:16 PM

I like transit as much as the next person. Actually, I like it a lot more than most. I sometimes insist on taking buses between places like Queen Anne and the Stadium District or Fircrest (that’s 2+ hours each way) or even Seattle and Olympia (slightly worse).

Having said all of that, I’m seriously disappointed with the transit component of Proposition 1. Light rail is cool, light rail is neat, but light rail isn’t a very good way to travel 40-plus miles. It shines for short trips and especially as a tool for encouraging development near the stations. The Seattle-Seatac-Tacoma route is going to be expensive and slow. And as if that weren’t bad enough, it’s going to take many, many years to reach Tacoma. Children wearing diapers now will be HS (or college) graduates when the choo-choo gets to the City of Destiny.

I’d consider voting for Proposition 1 if there were some serious attempt to balance the poster child train system with investments in Sound Transit’s bus system and perhaps increased passenger requirements for the HOV lanes on I-5. At least I could see the benefit before I start getting a discount at Denny’s.

Heck, if we could scrap the South King Co Express and funnel some of those resources in a streetcar system for Tacoma and improved Sounder service, I’d go wave a sign on an overpass.

I can’t find the reason in this proposition. Light rail is nice. So are bicycles. Want to commute to Seattle on a bike?

22 | Posted by Erik S | Oct 9, 04:32 PM

I say increase the sounder service to a normal commute rail…running every 30 min or so during the whole day……why do we need to build another service…expand what we already have……spend money on that….not creating another slower service….

23 | Posted by rich | Oct 10, 06:52 AM

Sounds good to me, Rich. I’d bet it would be less expensive to acquire land and easements as needed to build a dedicated heavy rail line running mostly parallel to the current freight line. A significant bonus would be the extra speed.

Ding, ding.

24 | Posted by Erik S | Oct 10, 07:48 AM

Erik S. — As much as we’d both like to have rail get to Seattle more quickly to see the indie rock shows that happen way to rarely in Tacoma, light rail to the Tacoma Dome is about more than just getting to Seattle. It’s about getting to the airport and allowing the suburbanites between Seattle and Tacoma another reason to choose Tacoma as a place to work instead of Seattle. If they can hop on the light rail and get to either city in half an hour, Tacoma won’t be at the disadvantage it would otherwise be at.

Plus, light rail will run 20 hours a day — BNSF is not going to let that happen on the tracks the Sounder uses, and that ride is only 7 min. faster than light rail will be from Tacoma to Seattle.

I see this as one piece of the puzzle — since we’re about 50 years behind a lot of other metro areas we’re going have to keep investing in a whole range of transit options for a while.

Can’t wait to take the Link home from the 2027 Sonic Youth reunion tour when I’m 55 and they’re 70.

25 | Posted by michael g. | Oct 10, 10:14 AM

Michael, I’m afraid that I don’t think Tacoma’s employment problem is based on people not being about to get here. For one thing, Traffic is actually not very bad on I-5 south in the morning. Certainly the buses do just fine in the HOV lanes. More importantly, there is the matter of there not being very many employers to hire our would-be commuters once they get to Tacoma. Hopefully that will change, but, for now, getting here isn’t the problem.

In spite of this, I’d be happy to support the ST proposal if that were the only practical option to expand transit in the area. Better than nothing, eh?

As it happens, however, Sound Transit’s light rail proposal isn’t the only possible transit project in the whole darn world. I keep thinking about what Tacoma/Pierce County might accomplish with its share of the tax revenue if we were free to choose from a whole menu of options. A street car to boost development? Extra ST buses between Tacoma and Seattle? Or, if getting people from Des Moines to Tacoma really is a problem, perhaps a stop there for some of the 59Xs? Any of these could have an impact on the livability and economic prospects of Tacoma much sooner than the ST proposal. And I’m not just being impatient. Think of the compounded effect of having better transportation options in Tacoma for 15 or 20 years before the first trolley from the airport could reach the City of Destiny. That’s a lot of catch-up for the train to play.

(Aside: why do people always seem to think that the people that pee on buses will be unable to pee on a trolley? Think NYC.)

26 | Posted by Erik S | Oct 10, 05:00 PM

I’ve ridden in one of those buses from Seattle to Tacoma.

It’s like speeding down I-5 in a plastic bento box.

I’m just glad I survived to talk about it.

27 | Posted by Mofo from the Hood | Oct 11, 06:52 PM

Good morning, Mofo.

Well, I suppose that’s a positive way to look at the slow speed of light rail. Less bumpy, and quieter as well.

I worry that a lot of people have an highly romanticized image of light rail, which is “cute” or “cool” unlike stodgy old buses. I don’t think that light rail is a particularly appropriate solution to this particular set of problems (I-5 congestion/lack of fast, reliable, and frequent connections between cities). But the “smooth factor” that I believe you meant to imply is a real one.

I still prefer the speed (and availability over the next two decades) of the buses but there is a real tradeoff to be made.

28 | Posted by Erik S | Oct 12, 07:42 AM

The buses are indeed bumpy and the shocks on some of them are very soft. I often put my bike in the bike rack on the front, and I’m amazed it hasn’t flown off yet.

Whatever happens with Prop. 1, WSDOT needs to do more to get ST express buses out of traffic. Buses should take less time than the one hour Sounder train ride, but they often don’t during the peak commute (i.e., 6+ hours a day).

29 | Posted by michael g. | Oct 12, 08:32 AM

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