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This week’s comment of the week is a favorite for a few reasons. First, it provides us with a bit of imagery. It’s not all pretty, but it certainly paints a picture. Second, it provoked discussion. Little did we know that R.R. Anderson had so many opinions about architects. We don’t necessarily agree with him… but it definitely got a few folks thinking.

if by ‘wow factor’ you mean a building that looks like it was coughed up by a sea cucumber (read E.M.P.), then you can keep it.

I prefer buildings that are functional to human beings, and not some sadomasochist freak-job architect’s wet dream.

Why I could carve a better seattle public library out of a banana. The only difference is you’d want to clad my banana in titanium for no reason.

Oh my.

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Do we live in a world of ideas or a world of things?

Maybe Mr. Anderson is saying that some ideas should just remain ideas.

There is an inital test for ideas: Does a proposed idea create misery or reduce misery?

1 | Posted by Mofo from the Hood | Apr 6, 10:00 AM

I am miserable when I walk down a street lined with “functional” but spiritually stultifying buildings.

But that’s just me.

2 | Posted by Squid | Apr 7, 11:25 AM

a functional building is by definition spiritually uplifting.

Anything you perceive as stultifying can be considered a design flaw.

Yes a building can be both beautiful and useful to human beings. Thats good design.

3 | Posted by RR Anderson | Apr 7, 12:26 PM

Thank you Mr. Anderson. As I understand it, you’re drawn to good design.

4 | Posted by Mofo from the Hood | Apr 7, 02:49 PM

mofo, I’m pro good design but i’m not completely anti-whimsy. I think whimsy is valid in it’s right to exist.

Also if you go back to teh thread, an architect raises several valid points that I felt bad about playing devils advocate against.

it’s all good :-)

5 | Posted by RR Anderson | Apr 7, 04:28 PM

RR@3: OK, but many could and would argue that the Rainier Pacific building is “functional,” yet it is perhaps the worst example of design I have ever seen. Worse by several multiples than the Courtyard by Marriot even.

Personally, I am swayed by an 8-year old’s (mine) review of the Seattle Public Library – “this place is COOL.” Regarding EMP, her analysis was “this is the ugliest building in the world.”

I’ll go with that.

6 | Posted by Squid | Apr 7, 09:26 PM

Squid.. Worse by several multiples than the Courtyard by Marriot even?

hmmm. you must be one of those insane people I keep reading about.

also yeah Seattle Public Library is kinda cool in the fun-house kind of way.

Just needs the wavy mirrors and we’d be golden.

7 | Posted by RR Anderson | Apr 8, 08:58 AM

Squid … Although the Rainier Pacific Bank building is not an aesthetically pleasing building by any stretch I wouldn’t go so far as to say it is worse than the Marriot by several multiples. They are each ugly in their own special way. Even though they are functional it’s too bad more consideration wasn’t given to aesthetic value.

Design, in most cases should not trump function, but function should never be without design.

Your daughter has a keen eye. The Seattle Public Library is a great example of phenomenal design and functionality. The EMP has some great rationale behind it but ultimately fails.

8 | Posted by an architect | Apr 8, 09:53 AM

I’ve been rejected from architecture school because I expressed the opinion that Frank Gehry is an idiot. Apparently, criticizing a starchitect is a capital offense.

I’ve never been in the EMP, but I have visited the library once or twice before. I’ve found it to be very disorienting. It’s very difficult to locate materials and the entrances and exits are not arranged very well. I would not want to be in that building if there were a fire or earthquake.

To their credit, though, many people would instantly recognize the buildings as being in Seattle, whether they are familiar with Seattle or not. Like the Space Needle, they are icons of the city. There are very few buildings in Tacoma that are unique enough that someone from Atlanta would instantly recognize it as being from Tacoma.

9 | Posted by drizell | Apr 8, 02:58 PM

@8. OK, so I exaggerated regarding the Courtyard vs. RP. Neither has much to redeem themselves. However, if you are walking on the sidewalk next to the Courtyard, it’s actually not SO bad. Brick facade, elegant black awnings mix OK with the beautiful PG/Union Bank building adjacent. It is when you step back from the hotel that its design failure is most apparent.

RP is simply as bad a disaster near and far which is too bad. I expect a national hotel chain to give me cookie-cutter, but hopeful that a local company would care more.

Driz: comment about finding materials at SPL is point taken. However, I have trouble finding materials in ANY library. ;) Given that the building went up a scant five years ago, I am sure it meets and well exceeds seismic and fire supression standards. No worries there. Have you ever been on the “red” level? That area is amazing.

10 | Posted by Squid | Apr 8, 03:15 PM

How and why did Seattle build that hideous new public library? J.H. Kunstler explains in S MP3 Download

from the podcast description…

James Howard Kunstler tells us how cities get hoodwinked into a status fashion contest to have a museum or library built by one of the celebrity architects of the day. Rem Koolhass, Frank Gehry, Peter Eisenman and others are deliberately designing these disastrous, anxiety-inducing mothership UFOs in order to mystify people into thinking they’re supernaturally brilliant. And then we’re stuck with these Gillette Blue Blade-clad fun houses for decades.

11 | Posted by RR Anderson | Apr 8, 03:32 PM

Do any of you go beyond Pacific Avenue?
Head over to visit the new science building at TCC. There is excellent design happening all over town, just not in downtown.

12 | Posted by precast | Apr 8, 04:05 PM

to be fair precast we’re mostly making fun of terrible design. furthermore
frank Gehry sucks a fat one

13 | Posted by RR Anderson | Apr 8, 04:13 PM

Gehry had one brilliant design and, like Tacoma’s famous glass artist, has been repeating himself ever since.

But the Seattle Public Library is brilliant.

Perhaps this is the kind of architecture R.R. prefers?
www.nyc-architecture.com/ARCH/Notes-Fascist.htm

14 | Posted by beerBoy | Apr 9, 11:12 AM

One last comment from me, while I would join those who generally dislike Gehry and EMP’s exterior, I have to say that I love the exhibits and the internal lay-out. I go at least a couple times a year and enjoy myself every time.

15 | Posted by Squid | Apr 9, 11:42 AM

OK, I lied. Turning positive for a minute, one building that I think gets too often overlooked is Antoine Predock’s Tacoma Art Museum, which I think is absolutely outstanding. Some other Predock designs leave me cold (I can think of the performing arts center at UC Santa Cruz as one example), but TAM is brilliant inside and out. We are lucky to have it and I think it is one of the most under-appreciated un-sung architectual heroes in Tacoma.

16 | Posted by Squid | Apr 9, 11:48 AM

ha! actually beerboy I prefer buildings that look like giant reproductive organs.

TAM building has all the appeal and warmth of an exacto-blade. My favorite thing about it is the failed moss-garden solar oven in the center of it. This building works as a museum though having good sized gallery space. I hate that you have to cross a busy street to get to it though. And the fact it is hanging over a cliff ads nothing to the surrounding area.

I like how the TAM is bigger inside than it appears from the outside… (contrasted against the MOG which is smaller inside than it appears from the outside).

I know that I am not a trained architect so from an architects perspective I have no valid opinion on anything architectural, yet I am a cartoonist so I have intimate knowledge of absurdity and hyper-exaggerated forms crafted by the hands of men, thus and so more or less fitted to have opinions relevant to schools of architecture.

Your mother wears combat boots.

17 | Posted by RR Anderson | Apr 9, 12:26 PM

Eh, my mother is too drunk to wear army boots.

18 | Posted by Squid | Apr 9, 02:54 PM

heck we could be brothers! :)

19 | Posted by RR Anderson | Apr 9, 03:13 PM

Hey, my dad traveled a lot…

20 | Posted by Squid | Apr 9, 09:29 PM

Interesting how so many how so many spaces that one enters into (by definition yonnic) have had phallic structures appended to them. From a Lacanian standpoint with a feminist view it is clear that the dominant aesthetic of Eurocentric architecture serves the hegemonic patriarchal structure.

The revulsion one feels from Gehry is due to the disorientation caused by his plagiarization of primarily yonnic forms from Gaudi fabricated with the hard, metalic, rigid body armor of stainless steel favored by militaristic masculine cults.

21 | Posted by beerBoy | Apr 10, 09:55 AM

beerBoy @21: “…many spaces that one enters into (by definition yonnic) have had phallic structures appended to them.”

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar—-Sigmund Freud

22 | Posted by Mofo from the Hood | Apr 10, 11:32 AM

MoFo, did you go to R.R.‘s link @ 17 with the handy-dandy roll-overs that label the anatomical references?

And, just in case anyone was taking me seriously – theoryspeak is a wonderful method of b.s.

23 | Posted by beerBoy | Apr 10, 12:13 PM

Thanks beerBoy @23. Somehow I overlooked Mr. Anderson’s reference.

And in case anyone ever takes me seriously, please let me know.

*Also, Freudianism is like Radical Feminism—-an annoying method of b.s..

*Not joking on this statement.

24 | Posted by Mofo from the Hood | Apr 10, 05:59 PM

Back in grad school, one of my thesis committee members, while not able to find any fault with the logic in the paragraph I wrote that demonstrated that Freud’s logic was flawed and completely errant about my topic, insisted that I tone it down with an endnote disclaimer that essentially stated “Freud is god, I am nothing, don’t pay attention to what I said”.

Critical Cultural theory provides interesting lenses to view the world with but, when one is used as your primary paradigm it prevents you from seeing anything else.

My first masters program was run by political lesbians. I, being a large, confident (if not cocky), heterosexual white man was immediately held in contempt. My first class assignment was a spoken word piece I titled “I am the Oppressor”. Have to say it didn’t earn me many fans.

25 | Posted by beerBoy | Apr 11, 07:48 AM

Funny stuff, beerBoy; including your spoken word piece “I am the Oppressor.”

Freudians and political lesbians need both sympathy and reeducation.

26 | Posted by Mofo from the Hood | Apr 11, 12:53 PM

Lipstick lesbians on the other hand need neither sympathy or reeducation. Then again, LL’s are in all likelihood an urban myth. No reliable siting has ever been documented.

27 | Posted by Squid | Apr 11, 02:17 PM

Beerboy, squid… mofo you guys have managed to scare away all the ladies and now this thread has turned into a creepy sausage party.

where’s the finesse?

28 | Posted by RR Anderson | Apr 11, 09:11 PM

Finesse is a former stripper at the old Esmeralda’s on Pacific. Sadly she retired today and probably living in the Winthrop.

29 | Posted by crenshaw sepulveda | Apr 11, 10:44 PM

Finesse?

I didn’t know we were playing Bridge.

30 | Posted by beerBoy | Apr 12, 07:38 AM

RR @28, I’m the big brother you never had. When it comes to women, I want you to remember one thing: Women don’t like wussies.

The man leads. The woman follows. If that order is reversed, that is, if you give up your power then you may never get it back…I pity that fool. Sometimes those kind of guys become architects and then their inner torment and confusion later becomes manifest in distorted construction projects.

31 | Posted by Mofo from the Hood | Apr 12, 09:33 AM

I’m seeing an “Ask Mofo” section of Exit133 in the near future. Think of it as a virtual woodshed.

32 | Posted by crenshaw sepulveda | Apr 12, 10:17 AM

speaking of ladies. I was savagely defeated by one last Friday… I had the golden chalk championship crown yanked viciously from my skull—No Mercy style.

33 | Posted by RR Anderson | Apr 13, 08:55 AM

I fear this whole competition will take on the proportions of professional wrestling. What next, a bikini grudge match? This can not end well, possibly the bikini grudge match, but I digress. Friendly competition. Good times at Frost Park, that is the goal. Bringing art to the grimy sidewalks of Tacoma is the goal. Mr. Anderson, I implore you, do not let this chalk arms race escalate. What would Larry Frost do?

34 | Posted by crenshaw sepulveda | Apr 13, 09:39 AM

crenshaw,

It started with simple blackboard white chalk.

Next they brought colored chalk.

Perhaps in the future they will bring glitter to lay atop their colored chalk.

Yet if things go in that direction, our artists MUST not back down.

and the spirit of Larry Frost lives on; contained in the fire of every chalk champion’s heart.

35 | Posted by RR Anderson | Apr 13, 11:47 AM

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