Heidelberg Hotel Heads to LPC - Again (23. September 2008, 17:51 by Derek Young) ~ Let's See How This Goes ...
Do you remember that story about the old Heidelberg Brewery becoming a hotel? Then, they added another hotel to the site. Well, those plans are apparently heading to the Landmarks Preservation Commission on Wednesday afternoon for a bit of design review.
The new site will feature a Holiday Inn Express and a Candlewood Suites. Architect Don Johnson includes the following narrative in the design review application:
The proposed project consists of construction of a new multi-story Hotel. The hotel will be constructed on the site of the Heidelberg building. In respect for the existing Heidelberg building residing in an historical area, on on site assessment was made to determine the feasibility of using the existing structure to accommodate the proposed hotel use. It is determined that the change in occupancy, would require extensive revisions to the existing building. Consideration of many issues such as Franchise requirements, window placements, seismic upgrades, parking, exterior finishes, etc. require demolition of the existing building.
In respect for the existing character of the surrounding site, we are proposing a building that is similar in building massing, fenestration, window sizes, and cladding.
1. Required parking will not be surface oriented, but rather incorporated into the overall context of the building. Parking is proposed to be on the first and second levels and the roof top. Openings required in the garage will be similar in size and alignment as windows on other levels, hence the garage will not be readily visible from the surrounding area.
2. The building massing is a function of the required Hotel rooms. To provide interest and variety in the facade we are proposing various set backs, pilasters and varying heights.
3. Materials are proposed that will provide interest, and compatibility with surrounding buildings. We propose a combination of brick and stucco. The brick will be a blend of dark reds and browns. There will be three different brick colors used in the building to provide visual interest. Windows will be beige in color and will have internal divided lights to provide scale an compatibility with window in surrounding buildings.
4. Pedestrian experience will be enhanced at the ground level by adding retail uses on the corner and providing awnings to cover the sidewalk. The entrance to the building is proposed to be a single driveway that will feature stamped concrete pavings, a water feature and potted plants.
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This has been a rather interesting discussion in the past. We look forward to hearing more about it.
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Ugh… too short, too corporate looking.
Why can’t we build anything big in this town?
This is more like it (in terms of height):
I think we can do better than a clone of that Marriott in front of the convention center. We need a lesson or two from Chicago, they know how to build a hotel!
Yes, I know a 1,360 foot monster wouldn’t be appropriate for T-town, but you know what I mean; we can do better.
1 | Posted by Furby 1998 | Sep 23, 07:40 PM
Do these people think they’re putting their hotels in on the outskirts of Fife or something? To second snoopy’s comment, I think the Marriot satisfied our quota for suburban hotels.
5 | Posted by Tacoma (A)roma | Sep 24, 09:02 AM
Can we not get King Oscar to come up with a design to beat this?
6 | Posted by Squid | Sep 24, 10:14 AM
Not exactly a beauty. However, considering the state of the economy and the current status of downtown Tacoma’s “renaissance,” I wouldnt expect much more than this. The city is presented with 2 options: Take what it can get right now and be happy someone is building something in downtown. Or say thanks but no thanks, and just wait for better times and better offers. I suppose a third option is to continue working with this developer and get them to upgrade their designs and spend more money. I just dont know if the city is in a position right now to make demands.
7 | Posted by CA | Sep 24, 10:52 AM
Please add the old Heidelberg water tower to the roof and place some neon beer signs in the windows. Paint huge vintage Heidelberg signage on at least one side of the building ala Bone-Dry Shoe or Harmon et alia…Proper dues to the past; ancestor worship and all that…Confuse innocent onlookers…
8 | Posted by Mofo from the Hood | Sep 24, 10:56 AM
Sad to say, but I think CA is probably correct. With reluctance and resignation, I withdraw above sarcastic remark.
9 | Posted by Squid | Sep 24, 10:58 AM
I just want to point out that the word “preservation,” “historic, “ or “landmark” was not once mentioned in the architect’s description – which, in my opinion, exemplifies the degree (or lack thereof) to which the architect has considered these concepts in the context of this design.
10 | Posted by Twofivethreezy | Sep 24, 03:11 PM
<barf> Shudder </barf>
I know something is better than nothing, but do we have to have another Fife-style Marriott II?
Yes, we do need more hotel rooms in this city… which is why the Foss hotel is such a big deal. But come on, this is really low-caliber design here.
I know it takes more $$$ to build something nicer, but I agree with Furby… we can do better.
We’ll never get quality mid and high rises if we keep letting developers build long, low and ugly stuff.
12 | Posted by Thorax O'Tool | Sep 24, 10:41 PM
Ok, new project!
I, the illustrious and justifiably somewhat renown (in small local circles( Thorax Z. O’Tool will design a better hotel for the site.
Once I return home from the rat race on Thursday afternoon, I will proceed to my drafting table and will design us a hotel, and I promise no less than 10 stories.
Before I start… anyone know the dimensions of the site?
…I’m looking at you, Jake.
13 | Posted by Thorax O'Tool | Sep 24, 10:49 PM
I agree, some things could be done to make these hotels more appropriate for the area. However, this is big improvement over the previous proposal. There are some “concessions” the developer appears to be willing to make to garner more community support—things like street level retail, brick facades up to the third floor, an enclosed porte cochere and internal parking. Note that both buildings are at least five stories and have full street frontages on both C St and 21st—which makes them far more “urban” in nature than the Marriott or anything you’ll find in Fife or South Tacoma.
There are elements that the hotel brands will use on every hotel, such as their signage, which tries to make them distinguishable to visitors. I really think we need to accept this fact. While reference to historic uses are sometimes nice, do we seriously want to incorporate them into every building? I expect that Russell would balk at building their new headquarters at the old Sauro’s dry cleaning site if they were to be required to resurrect the old Sauro’s sign on the side of their gleaming new building.
I think the MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE here is that two hotels on this site will do much more to revitalize the neighborhood than a hulking, abandoned brewery that has only contributed to increased crime and various other societal ills for decades. Seeing previously vacant or underused sites such as Heidelberg brewery put to more active uses could spur other property owners in the area to take steps to improve their own properties, as well. The best thing to do here is to realize the long-term benefits for the Brewery District and all of downtown of having two hotels in this location. This block has been devoid of activity for 30 years, and this really needs to change—regardless of whether it’s the nicest looking building in the world or not.
Yes, I know we’re limited to what can be done with the hotel, especially considering economic and chain limitations/requirements.
My ultimate point is, that in town we need not only better looking buildings, we also need some that catch attention.
Most of our buildings in downtown tend to be plain-jane. Look at Wells Fargo and the Murano. Not particularly noteworthy. Personally, I like the Tacoma Financial Center as well as City Hall (I’m a sucker for Art Deco). Russell is not bad, and the Washington Building is superb (but not readily viewable from the south). I’m saying that we really need something eye-catching enough to be noticeable from I-5.
With no further ado, I present my poorly drawn and crudely-colored proposal for a hotel.
While I doubt it would meet zoning for the Heidelberg site, I drew it anyway. Some deco flourishes, and stainless steel… love it!
Full-size version here
Now, this is just a sketch, it would look better if I had Photoshop or a direct-link telepathy cam into my imagination.
Not a fan of the design?
Submit your own!
16 | Posted by Thorax O'Tool | Sep 26, 12:49 AM
Okay Mr. O’Tool, I don’t know much about building design but I know a British phone booth when I see one.
17 | Posted by Mofo from the Hood | Sep 26, 07:55 AM
I know how to draw. I’m just not smart enough to figure out how to upload images to sites. But I guess if that RR Anderson guy can figure out the uploading part then I could too (Seen his drawings?).
19 | Posted by Mofo from the Hood | Sep 26, 10:35 AM
Uploading is EZ….
I just used Imageshack
Then in your comments field, put exclamation marks around the image’s URL.
British phone booth, eh? Didn’t think it looked like one, but hey it’s cool.
I’ll draw up something else as well.
20 | Posted by Thorax O'Tool | Sep 26, 11:05 AM
Thank you Mr. O’Tool. Keep that electronic ink flowin’.
21 | Posted by Mofo from the Hood | Sep 26, 03:32 PM
This is why I love architecture… the possibilities are endless! Even if they are never built, it’s fun to draw buildings all day long.
Perhaps something more formal, more conservative in height? Maybe 11 floors? Nice gardens, a water feature and courtyards?
Full size HERE
22 | Posted by Thorax O'Tool | Sep 26, 11:19 PM
Mr. O’Tool, don’t forget to specify some outside wall space for artworks (gets you through the Tacoma permit process faster).
23 | Posted by Mofo from the Hood | Sep 27, 10:43 AM
Thorax, your first building reminds me of a male reproductive organ ready for action. That would really draw some attention to T-Town, wouldn’t it? Chicago and Boston both have similar buildings that are coincidentally located right next to the tallest buildings in both cities, so they’re hard to miss. Remember, Tacoma was named the most “sexually healthy” city for women in 2006. This building could reflect that designation very well. It could even become a new marketing slogan: “Tacoma: Fully Erect.”
This is what happens when I decide to write blog posts at 4 a.m.
“Thorax, your first building reminds me of a male reproductive organ ready for action“
Any tall building without setbacks will undoubtedly bee seen by some in the Freudian sense.
For an example, check out the last comment on the page linked to below… it’s a discussion about the 2,000 foot-tall Chicago Spire… too many phallic comments to even begin counting.
Chicago Spire discussion
(Currently under construction)
“This is what happens when I decide to write blog posts at 4 a.m.“
Sleep=good, Drizz.
25 | Posted by Thorax O'Tool | Sep 28, 08:56 PM
Man, Thorax is going to be pissed when he finds out an eight year old has highjacked his name and attributing these “architectural sketches” to him. And there’s an option for a FULL size view. Phew! I was having a hard time seeing how, umm, great? the designs were in the thumbnails.
Ok, ok, good for T O’T for posting his ideas. It’s made for a good thread chuckle… And, now we all know how to post images!
While I don’t LOVE the design as posted at the top, it’s not the worst thing I’ve ever seen. Keep in mind that there’s a pesky return-on-investment that needs to be met, too. Rates need to be reasonable enough to keep occupancy high enough to make the project pencil out.
26 | Posted by rick | Sep 29, 09:52 AM
As I understand the partial motive for the project, the ROI relies significantly on room rentals to patrons of convention center functions. The convention center has publicly stated that more nearby rooms are needed. Nearby as in walking or short trip by motor vehicle.
27 | Posted by Mofo from the Hood | Sep 29, 10:26 AM
I can’t get the Miami Vice theme music out of my head now. Thanks a lot.
29 | Posted by Erik S | Sep 30, 05:46 PM
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