Ken Schram Takes On Tacoma City Council

In what appears to be a complete disregard for the real debate, Ken Schram has given a ‘Schrammie’ to the Tacoma City Council for its recent decision on panhandling.  The issue is this:

The city can’t prevent panhandling, in general, as it’s protected speech.  So the city’s position was to make it illegal to block or impede the flow of traffic while collecting money.  This was intended to target those panhandlers at major intersections and freeway offramps that occasionally hold up traffic as they receive money from motorists.  The firefighters had asked for an exemption for their annual ‘fill the boot’ campaign for MS.  They said that since they only accept donations when they have the cross walk, and since they use spotters, they had safety in mind and it should be excluded from the new law.  The problem, or so we heard, is that the firefighters often didn’t follow their own rules.  So, when the council heard this, they removed the exemption since, if safety is the concern and firefighters aren’t being any more safe than the panhandlers, the law should be the same for everybody.  No exceptions.

Of course, there is no easy answer to this one.  This was obvious during the public hearing last week.  The first amendment question alone requires a decent debate to understand. 

Ken Schram’s summary is “Apparently the council can’t tell the difference between a firefighter and a panhandler, and has put a stop to raising money for charity.”  I can write a sweeping generalization as good as the next guy, but that’s pretty bad.  Dumbing down a debate simply because one has a soapbox is… nevermind. 

Update: And, as the Takhoman has pointed out, the council hasn’t voted on this yet. 

Link to Komo TV

 


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Jesse

Dale Chihuly’s glass eyeball.  Perhaps that whore can open a museum there too.

September 21, 2010 at 8:06 pm / Reply / Quote and reply

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RR Anderson

Why a copy of my book (available this November) A Patriot’s History of Tacomics 2007 – 2009  pre-order your copy today!

September 21, 2010 at 8:20 pm / Reply / Quote and reply

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dolly varden

Isn’t Ruston insolvent?  How can we not have annexed that town?  (Not that their population of 800 or whatever would quite get us to #2.)

September 21, 2010 at 9:46 pm / Reply / Quote and reply

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jamie from thriceallamerican

I wonder if the “indedible candies” are Spokandy…I got some of that as a gift once and that shit is nasty.  Spokane should annex Cashmere just so they can have a candy that sucks less.

September 22, 2010 at 7:42 am / Reply / Quote and reply

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Weyland Duir

What is so wrong about being #3?  The numeral 3 represents a completeness and integration.  Let’s just celebrate Tacoma and forget about Seattle and Spokane

September 22, 2010 at 11:59 am / Reply / Quote and reply

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tom waits

maybe we could send them some of our recently release sex offenders.

September 22, 2010 at 12:10 pm / Reply / Quote and reply

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Nick

Eh, who cares? I get that it’s supposed to be in a friendly “teasing” tone, and yet it seems to be the only formal/publicly visible discourse between T-town and Spokompton.

But hey, it’s gotta say something for Tacoma to have the population it does with a larger ahem employer-sucking and population-sapping city just 30 miles away… just sayin’ …

September 22, 2010 at 1:49 pm / Reply / Quote and reply

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Thorax O'Tool

Did you know that Parkland (27,000) and Spanaway (23,000) are both unincorporated Pierce County? Did you furter know the City of Tacoma and it’s utilities provide most services to those areas?

If we really want to be #2, why hasn’t the City done something about 50,000 people (and 16 sq miles) just to the south that aren’t legally but are functionally part of Tacoma?

Let’s not forget Midland, Browns Point, Dash Point. Those places rely entirely on Tacoma for services… they’d add another 10,000

Of course, I do have to ask:

Isn’t it better financially for the city to have these communities that it supports (but doesn’t have tax authority over) to be a part of the city itself?

September 22, 2010 at 2:20 pm / Reply / Quote and reply

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Thorax O'Tool

Incidentally, if Puyallup annexed South Hill, P-town would have nearly 70,000 residents. That would make them #11 rather than #25.

…just sayin’

September 22, 2010 at 2:24 pm / Reply / Quote and reply

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captiveyak

In Seattle, you go out and have a beer because your neighbor with the ironic moustache and bowler hat is playing a kazoo concerto at The Crocodile Cafe – and the beer might help you pretend you’re already “over” kazoo concertos.

In Spokane, you go out and have a beer because you live in Spokane.

In Tacoma, you go out and have a beer because life is pretty good and you might see a few people you know.

This is a better measure of a city’s value than population. And that’s saying a lot — because “why you go out for a beer” is also a crappy way of measuring a city’s value.

September 22, 2010 at 3:56 pm / Reply / Quote and reply

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j feste

Spokane lost <span class=“caps”>AAA</span> baseball years ago.  Its ability to stay ahead of Tacoma population-wise has hinged on a wild annexation binge, a momentum stopped to the east with the creation of the City of Spokane Valley.  Yet locally, Tacoma provides public utilities to a University Place that is sales-tax broke but independent to have eschewed the City of Destiny.  Tacoma could temporarily smash Spokane with some city council action to annex Browns and Dash points, communities already served by MetroParks and the Tacoma School District.  Yet Federal Way government has also coveted those points, which would make it a two-county city.  So, if Spokane could beat Tacoma with the Indian Trail area annexation, will the council here make Browns and Dash points part of the City of Destiny? Tacoma’s council should also send some elephant ZooDoo (well-meaning of course) for Spokane’s Duncan Gardens at Manito Park—the Lilac City is one of the largest communities in the nation without a zoo, unless you count West Central Spokane’s “felony flats” area.

September 22, 2010 at 4:29 pm / Reply / Quote and reply

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tom waits

One thing that struck me was that our box of items seems less creative, less kitschy…a coffee mug? 

How about some old Coke bottles from the centennial?  A print of the rejected Warhol proposal for the Tacoma Dome?  An old Mat Classic flyer from the state wrestling championship?  Something moderately creepy from the B&I?  Goodwill Games souvenirs?  Some Johnny’s seasoning salt?  You know, weird stuff no one would want or better yet, stuff that no one knows they do want.

September 22, 2010 at 4:31 pm / Reply / Quote and reply

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offbroadway

Good suggestions by Tom.  Umm… The Jive is our of bumper stickers, but they still have frisbees.  And surely Alan still has some Bing Crosby ice cream boxes.  Don’t forget one of MacGougan’s books that he told me he slaved so laboriously on.  Maybe a Tacoma bus token.  If they really wanted to rub it in, they would have sent a postcard of the Davenport.  At least their GN clocktower keeps time, instead of only twice a day like ours.

September 22, 2010 at 11:00 pm / Reply / Quote and reply

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offbroadway

Hey, still have some “Most Wired City” paraphernalia?

September 22, 2010 at 11:10 pm / Reply / Quote and reply

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Tim Smith

I wonder if they count the forgotton souls at the <span class=“caps”>NWDC</span> and Pierce County Jail. With (as of yesterday) 1502 at the <span class=“caps”>NWDC</span> and roughly 800 at the jail clearly we have more residents.

The Tacoma Historical Society is just about to go to print with “Tacoma’s Twenty-One Tales

Every Student Should

Be Able To Tell”…that would be nice.

September 23, 2010 at 7:27 am / Reply / Quote and reply

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RR Anderson

send them the Kalakala… like dropped from the belly of a C-5 Galaxy

September 23, 2010 at 8:15 am / Reply / Quote and reply

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jamie from thriceallamerican

offbroadway has a good point in there, we should totally up the ante on the Bing Crosby thing given that both towns claim him as “their own”…

September 23, 2010 at 8:58 am / Reply / Quote and reply

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Squid

Yeah, coffee mug, that’s lame-o. 

I like the Kalakala idea…

I have a broken tee from the US Amateurs at Chambers Bay…oh wait, that’s UP.  Nevermind. 

Syringe from near the Big Toy at Wright Park? 

I hear the Goddess of Commerce statue is up for grabs. 

In a couple of months we’ll have a bunch of parking pay stations to give them…

September 23, 2010 at 11:16 am / Reply / Quote and reply

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Rick Jones

Squid: Goddess of Commerce is not up for grabs. It will be installed at the intersection of St Helens, 6th and Baker under the cottonwood tree on the lot that Mandarin Antiques is on.

September 23, 2010 at 11:42 am / Reply / Quote and reply

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RR Anderson

@19 When!?

September 23, 2010 at 12:30 pm / Reply / Quote and reply

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Squid

Then I have hope for the Kalakala.

September 23, 2010 at 1:51 pm / Reply / Quote and reply

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Jesse

Send them thier new city slogan: “Spokane: We certainly are number two!”

That means do-do.

September 23, 2010 at 7:44 pm / Reply / Quote and reply

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Rick Jones

RR: It’s a long process but inside a year.

September 24, 2010 at 9:04 am / Reply / Quote and reply

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crenshaw sepulveda

Maybe she’ll be renamed as the Goddess of Baking if she’s going to be on Baker Street.

September 24, 2010 at 1:35 pm / Reply / Quote and reply

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tom waits

how about Half-Baked Goddess?

September 24, 2010 at 1:41 pm / Reply / Quote and reply

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PointDexter

We.can.help.the.Spokaniacs.sustain.their.
#2.status:

Special.deliver.Tacoma.Rail.boxcars.packed.with.our.DOC.alumni.

September 26, 2010 at 7:56 am / Reply / Quote and reply

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Marty C

Spokane has recived out gift.

Marty,

Oh. My. Gawd.

Your email came a tad late.

I opened the box this morning at my desk.

Oh, look, I said. They sent me some coffee.

I opened the zip-locked bag, took a whiff..

Ahhrrrgggg.

The council sent me <sup>%#$</sup>$!!!

Good one, Marty.

Doug

September 27, 2010 at 4:15 pm / Reply / Quote and reply

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Marty C

Here is Spokane’s reaction.

www.spokesman.com/st…

(srry no linky, my tech-fu sux)

September 28, 2010 at 4:42 pm / Reply / Quote and reply

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a.k.a. offbroadway

Glad I could contribute.

September 28, 2010 at 11:45 pm / Reply / Quote and reply

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